In this post I track the migrations of the descendants of Edom (Esau) from Canaan to the Mediterranean. With the aid of the Apocryphal books of Jasher and Jubilee, I follow their transformation first into Horites, then Greeks and Romans. Ultimately they colonise the entire North Africa and most of the Mediterranean states. Using genetic and historical analysis, I show that the E1b1b Y-DNA haplogroup is not Israelite DNA but Edom’s.
In the light of this analysis, we can identify Edom at the heart of the bloodiest conflicts in human history. From the Greek empire to World War II, the Edomite bloodline has brought the known world to its knees time and again. The world knows this bloodline by its different identities; Sparta, Macedon, Rome, Turks etc. Their valor and fierceness in battle is legendary, their brutality feared and their military genius renown. They built the greatest and most enduring empires; Greece, Rome and Ottoman. The leaders and generals are both immortalized and vilified. From Alexander the great, Napoleon Bonaparte to the reviled Adolf Hitler, their contribution to history is undisputed. They were as the scriptures described them; cunning men, great hunters and skilled in the art of war.
I show that Edom still has a large presence today in the Mediterranean region including Greece, Italy, Israel and the North African states. Their presence in this region is traceable by the DNA marker; the Y-DNA haplogroup E1b1b.
I recently started writing an article about Genesis 2:7 on the origin of the races and the Y-DNA haplogroups. I had to take a detour on getting to the E1b1b haplogroup.
In this article, I analyze some genetic data in the light of secular and biblical history. This post is more academic than my previous ones, but in the last few sections I run through numerous scriptural passages to confirm.
DNA Inheritance and Haplogroups
The transmission of genes vertically from parents to offsprings is not a new science. A child acquires half its genetic materials from either parent. All the children inherit mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) from the mother. In addition, all female offspring inherit an additional X chromosome from the father. while male offsprings acquire the fathers Y chromosome. Through science, we know that a portion of the Y chromosome called the Y-DNA can be transmitted unchanged down through male offsprings for 500 generations. Identification of this Y-DNA and the mtDNA forms the basis of the DNA haplogroup system.
All haplogroup divisions are generally named in an easily understandable fashion. You can tell that R1 and R2 come from the same ancestor Japheth. J1 and J2 are often referred to as Jewish haplogroups. Then you look at haplogroup E and wonder what on earth happened there, the story gets really convoluted. We have been informed that the haplogroup E1b1b is a Jewish haplogroup, but its closely related E1b1a is Hamitic (huh?). Even more confusing is that the North Africans are often classified as both Hamitic and Shemetic despite predominantly having the ‘Jewish’ E1b1b DNA. With a tiny knowledge of how genetics works, it becomes apparent that things aren’t adding up as they should.
E1b1b can’t be Shemetic, Hamitic and Japhetic
A number of people refer to the E-V13 subclade of E1b1b as the Roman haplogroup making it even more confusing. Weren’t the Romans a Japhetic descendant from Europe?
So, haplogroup E is a Shemetic, Japhetic and Hamitic haplogroup. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. DNA doesn’t work that way. I decided to look a bit closer and eventually realized that its distribution pattern was not random or sporadic. It follows a Mediterranean pattern. Take a look for yourself.
The E1b1b global map
It is a predominantly Mediterranean haplogroup. The largest incidence of E1b1b is however in North Africa and the horn of Africa. This understandably makes it convenient to classify it as one of African origin. The prevalence in the Mediterranean and southern Europe has sometimes been attributed to Moorish and Arab invasions of that region. However, there is the nagging question of the Islamic invasion originating from the Middle East before moving into Africa and Europe.
Looking at the map above, it reminded me of the Roman Empire. I got curious and decided to dig deeper comparing the two maps.
The Roman Empire
The Roman Empire at its peak encompassed all the countries surrounding the Mediterranean and extending northwards into Europe. If you compare the E1b1b map to that of the Roman Empire, you see a significant border overlap between the two.
Amazing isn’t it? Can you see the similarity? I was a bit surprised by the extent of the map resemblances. Compare the northern UK border of both maps. How about the southern border in North Africa and Arabia? Do you still believe in coincidences? I admit, the E1b1b map extends a bit northwards slightly beyond the Roman Empire. I attribute this to changes in Europe over the centuries since the fall of the Empire. There has been a significant change in national border limits, and some migratory movements have occurred.
The distribution of the E1b1b subclades are equally impressive, take a look.
Local concentration of the subclade E-M81 is seen in North Africa near Gibraltar. It extends eastwards and tapers off in Egypt. This is the only subclade of E1b1b that is concentrated in North Africa. The other subclades have higher prevalence outside the region.
The subclade E-V13 has its largest concentration around Macedonia and Greece where E1b1b forms the second largest haplogroup in the country. It is almost non-existent in North Africa.
The E-M123 subclade of E1b1b is concentrated near Byzantine (Constantinople). It extends into Syria, Iraq, Persia and some parts of Arabia.
Overlap of E1b1b with Roman Administrative Regions
Are the three locations above mere coincidence?
The fact that the E1b1b haplogroup had three main locales of focus is very interesting. These locales are:
- North Africa
- Byzanthium/ Constantinople
- Greece/Southern Italy
These are near duplicates of the administrative divisions of the Roman Empire. I am aware that Rome was the capital of the western empire, not Macedonia. I believe Greece has a higher incidence because it was the springboard from which E1b1b spread in the region. We will come back to that later.
Armed with a little knowledge of history, this map comes alive with meaning. The E1b1b haplogroup gene marker prevalence spiked wherever Rome had its legions in significant numbers.
NORTH AFRICAN HISTORY
Rome Invaded North Africa
Historically, we know that Rome and Carthage were regional rivals for years. The Roman Empire did not become a superpower until they had slaughtered the Carthaginians and razed their city to the ground. This gave them full access and control over North Africa.
North African cities were built by the Greco-Romans
The demographics of North Africa became drastically altered during the Greco-Roman era. An example is seen in the history of Tangier (in morocco). Tradition has it that Antaeus who was the half-giant son of Poseidon and Gaia founded the city. Antaeus’s wife was the goddess Tinge, daughter of the mythical god Atlas. Antaeus is also famous for his loss to Heracles whose tomb is a tourist attraction in Tangiers. To be sure about where this city is located, I have identified it in the map below.
For those of us who do not believe in Greek mythology, it is enough to know that Greeks founded the city hence the traditional storyline.
Algiers started as a small Roman town called Icosium that was previously a Phoenician commercial outpost.
Carthage began as a Phoenician colony and then developed into the capital of the Cartheginian civilization in the first millennium BC. In 146 BC the Romans destroyed Carthage killing everyone and burning the city down. They also destroyed all the records from the Carthagenian Punic era. The city was then rebuilt as Roman Carthage in their African Province. It is in Tunis today.
Alexander the great established the city of Alexandria in 331 BC. It became the greatest city in the ancient world for a long time even after the Greek era ended. Alexandria was a major intellectual center that attracted lots of foreigners. It was Egypt’s main Greek city and was filled with Greeks of diverse backgrounds.
From the above narrative, we can see that the North African cities with large E1b1b DNA were built and populated by Greco-Roman citizens.
The Romans also became the inventors of modern citizenship rules. Under their Empire, you became a citizen of the region you lived in. This concept (in part) is still in use by countries around the world today.
Modern Berbers are not indigenous Africans
The word Berber was coined from the Greek word barbaros, a term used for non-Greek speakers in the Hellenistic era. It became widely used in the period following the invasion of North Africa by the Vandals.
The Vandals were of East German origin, a people the Romans are known to refer to as barbarians. There are some who claim that the word Berber was first used by Arab geneologists around 900 AD.
The modern Berbers (and Tuaregs) moved into North Africa during and after the Greco-Roman eras. It is therefore incorrect to classify them as indigenous to Africa. They were Greeks and Romans who settled around the Mediterranean.
E1b1b is not Indigenous to Africa
The E1b1b DNA in Africa is found only among populations that have an extensive history of race mixing. The Biblical Egyptians (present day Sudanese) intermarried with Middle Eastern Nomads. The Ethiopians, Eritreans and Somalis all have Arab and Italian racial mixing. Some Somali and Ethiopians are even considered to be anthropometrically Caucasians. Here is a quote from Wikipedia on the Sabean origins of Ethiopia:
Before the 20th century, the Sabean theory was the most common one explaining the origins of the Habesha. It was first suggested by Hiob Ludolf and revived by early 20th-century Italian scholar Conti Rossini. They said that at an early epoch, South Arabian tribes, including one called the Habashat, emigrated across the Red Sea from Yemen to Eritrea.
Many scholars agree that the Sabeans crossed the Red Sea from Southwest Arabia into the horn of Africa circa 1000 BC. They conquered the indigenous Hamites in the land and established the Axum kingdom that eventually became Ethiopia.
The population of North Africa today consists almost entirely of the descendants of Greek, Roman, Persian and Arab settlers. The citizens of those countries consider themselves Mediterranean rather than Africans. At one time these North African states quit the Organization of African Unity (OAU). Their aim was to join the European union.
Even the Roman Emperors Marcus Opellius Macrinus and Lucius Septimius Severus where born in North Africa. Neither one of these Emperors is historically referred to as indigenous African.
One or more of these invading armies brought the E1b1b DNA into the region. The indigenous African haplogroups are A and B, both of which are rare outside of the continent.
There are few (if any) aboriginals in North Africa
I know there will be readers who will insist that the North African population is still predominantly indigenous. My response to that is to ask you to identify the populations of Australia, North and South America. Are these populations indigenous or foreign? Are both Australian Prime minister Malcolm Turnbull and US President Donald Trump considered aboriginals in the countries they govern?
The United States of America and Australia have between 0.9-2% and 2.4% indigenous people respectively. If these continents transformed so immensely within about 400 years under Europeans, what do you think happened in North Africa? The region was under Persian and Greco-Roman rule for a period that stretched nearly a millennium. How many indigenous people would have survived such an extended occupation by arguably the most brutal empires in human history? Like the dinosaurs and many animal species, the aboriginal African has mostly been wiped out in the Northern region of the continent.
The out of Africa migration theory of E1b1b would be acceptable if we thought the North Africans were indigenous to the region. However history has shown us that they are descendants of invaders that have colonized the sub-region over the last 2000 years. Since they are not indigenous, their Y-DNA must be coming from a foreign source.
Also, it is worthwhile to note that numerous geneticists are now acknowledging that the E1b1b may actually also be a back migration into Ethiopia.
E1b1b was a Greco-Roman haplogroup
Perhaps you are still doubtful about this analysis? Well, have you considered why the incidence of E1b1b is higher in Constantinople, Greece and Italy rather than in Spain? After all, Spain is closer to North Africa than the others. So logic dictates that the incidence should be higher there while tapering towards Greece. We see the Islamic empire move into Europe through Spain and depart the continent via the same route. Why doesn’t the E1b1b haplogroup do the same?
The haplogoup map shows a perfect overlap with the Greco-Roman Empire because that is the origin of the DNA. It does not quite fit the map of the Islamic empire having a noticeably lower prevalence in Arabia as a whole.
NORTH AFRICAN GENETICS
Other Y-DNA and mtDNA evidence
E1b1b is not the only haplogroup that North Africa shares with Europe. Haplogroups F, J and R are also present in the region. These haplogroups account for a quarter of the population in some North African countries. This indicates that the European paternal linages were present in North Africa at some point.
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If the E1b1b haplogroup was migrating northward, then we should see traces of African maternal linages moving in the same direction. Instead, we see the exact opposite. Maternal mtDNA in North Africa is derived primarily from Europe. Take a look for yourself.
The main European mtDNA haplogroup H even has a higher prevalence in Tangier than in Scandinavia, Romania, Russia and Ireland. This shows that a large chunk of North Africans are descended from the same maternal linage as Emperess Alexandra of Russia (mtDNA hp H). This mtDNA haplogroup also appears in other areas where you have the E1b1b Y-DNA like Cameroon, Mali and the horn of Africa. Other European mtDNA haplogroups like J, U, T, K and X also have identical maps in North Africa as the E1b1b.
These mtDNAs contribute more than 50% of the maternal line in some parts of North Africa. So, if majority of the inhabitants have European mtDNA, why or how would they all swap European Y-DNA for an African one? The simple answer is that the E1b1b DNA is a DNA that came into the region via Europe.
North Africa has DNA that is different from most of the continent.
The mtDNA of North Africa is European in origin. It displays an inheritance pattern that is progressing southwards from its northern neighbours. Since the maternal pattern of inheritance is so obviously European, why would the paternal Y-DNA pattern progress in the opposite direction? I am not aware of historical records of Europeans shipping their women to North Africa for the purpose of breeding. The E1b1b Y-DNA appears to co-localize with the maternal haplogroups of Europe. These haplogroups have their highest incidence on the African continent around the Moroccan Berbers. The mtDNA haplogroup H does have a low presence in West Africa. This is probably associated with the equally low presence of the European Y-DNA haplogroup R in the sub-region.
North Africa shows genetic diversity similar to Europe
A study on global genetic admixture shows that North Africans have European level caucasoid genes
African populations with significant E1b1b haplogroup (blue asterix) all have large amounts of Caucasoid genes in their members. This is the only common feature that they share with all other non African E1b1b populations like Greece, Turkey and Armenia. They are as caucasoid as people from Russia and Finland. By classifying Egyptians as genetically African, the Saudis, Jordanians and Iranians should also fall into the same category. If the Egyptians are African, then, the Fins are Mongolian and the Cambodians are Europeans. The Finnish or Cambodian classification is not accurate, neither should the Egyptian one be. The only thing African about the North African countries is their zip code.
Why the North Africans are not Negroid
Based on the brief history of North Africa described above, the Caucasoid skin coloration of the citizens is understandable. With almost a millennium of mixing with non-Negros, their skin would continuously get lighter resulting in a Caucasoid skin tone we see today in the region. The fact that the North Africans have a different culture, language and skin color to the rest of the continent is itself suggestive that they are genetically different.
HISTORY OF GREECE, EDOM AND ROME
Rome was built on the foundations of Greece.
Rome as we are aware was an empire built on the preceding Greek one. Both empires were founded by neighbouring states and their territories were overlapping. The Romans even went on to adopt and rename the Greek Pantheon of gods. What we may not be aware of is that both empires were built by the same bloodline. Now what do I mean by that? Well, let us go back to ancient Greece to better understand it.
Greek history began about the 12th century BC with the founding of the independent city-states in the isles. The residents of these cities preceding the unification of the empire were sometimes referred to as the Pelasgians. According to the historian Ephorus, The Pelasgians in Arcadia were a warrior nation. He theorized that these people had ANNEXED and COLONIZED all the regions of Greece from Dodona to Clay all the way to Italy. They apparently kicked out or killed the previous residents. Interestingly, some analysts have theorized that the Pelasgians were the original carriers of the E1b1b haplogroup.
It was not until the 5th to 4th century BC that classical Greece began under Alexander. This era started when Alexander the great of Macedonia conquered the different states and united the whole of Greece.
Alexander’s conquests are well known and some of his battles are described in all their gruesome details. A perhaps less known fact is that Alexander claimed descent first from Temani (grandson of Esau in Genesis 36:15). Following his visit to the Temple at Delphi, Alexander is known to have later claimed to be the son of Zeus.
Japheth was colonized by the Pelasgians
The Pelasgians as we saw from the above text colonized the regions of Greece. But the Bible tells us that the Isles of the Gentiles was inhabited by the descendants of Japheth (Genesis 10:5). So the Pelasgians must have been attacking and killing descendants of the Japhetic bloodline.
So who are the Pelasgians?
I think they are the children of Esau (Edom) who were living as Horites. To understand this, we will be looking at several texts in the Apocryphal books.
Edom became the Horites
The Bible records that Edom (descendants of Esau) joined himself to Seir the Horite (Genesis 36). They undertook military campaigns together but then fell out after a failed attack on the Israelites. The Edomites eventually killed off most of the Horites leaving only a few men to serve as slaves and breeding with their daughters (Jasher 57:36). They consequently became a mongrel nation with a new maternal DNA in their population. This new DNA according to the book of Exodus was already contaminated with the nephilim gene.
Edom expansion to the Caucus region and Greece
The Edomites then possessed all the land and properties of the Horites and lived in the land in their stead. Bela became their king (Genesis 36:32 and 1 chronicles 1:43). They thereafter extended their land through conquest (Genesis 27:40) beyond the river Euphrates (Genesis 36:37). In addition, their domain spread to several cities bearing the names of Horite dukes such as Uz (Armenia) and Aran near the Caucasus region. Many other cities were conquered by the Edomites around the Mediterranean. These cities included Rome, Macedon and Seville. Herman Howe in his book “A Compendium of World History” even identifies king Bela with Belus. In Greek mythology, Belus was allegedly described as the founder of the Spartan dynasty.
Interestingly, according to Wikipedia, the Hebrew word for Duke is the same one used to describe experienced Generals in the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF). Makes me wonder.
AMALEK WAS THE FIRST
Alexander of Macedon and Edom
Alexander was the son of Philip II: the one-eyed king of Macedon. Philip had been gaining influence and territory due to the power vacuum left by the crippling wars between Sparta and Athens. As the son of an influential king, Alexander had the best education possible under the supervision of Aristotle. By the age of 18, he was already the head of the cavalry and had won decisive victories in battle. He later became king.
As head of the Macedonian army, he continued his father’s conquests until he reached today’s Pakistan. He also defeated the preceding Persian superpower under king Darius. Though Alexander claimed descent from the Temani, some other accounts states that Phillip II was a descendant of Agag of Amalek (also a grandson of Esau).
Amalek has been identified by some as the ancestor of todays’ Armenia.
Rome became one with Edom
The Romans overthrew the Greeks at Corinth and consequently became the superpower of the era. As it turns out, the Romans were also already one with the Edomite nation according to the book of Jasher.
At that time in the fifth year after the children of Israel had passed over Jordan, after the children of Israel had rested from their war with the Canaanites, at that time great and severe battles arose between Edom and the children of Chittim, and the children of Chittim fought against Edom. And Abianus king of Chittim went forth in that year, that is in the thirty-first year of his reign, and a great force with him of the mighty men of the children of Chittim, and he went to Seir to fight against the children of Esau. And Hadad the king of Edom heard of his report, and he went forth to meet him with a heavy people and strong force, and engaged in battle with him in the field of Edom. And the hand of Chittim prevailed over the children of Esau, and the children of Chittim slew of the children of Esau, two and twenty thousand men, and all the children of Esau fled from before them. And the children of Chittim pursued them and they reached Hadad king of Edom, who was running before them and they caught him alive, and brought him to Abianus king of Chittim. And Abianus ordered him to be slain, and Hadad king of Edom died in the forty-eighth year of his reign. And the children of Chittim continued their pursuit of Edom, and they smote them with a great slaughter and Edom became subject to the children of Chittim. And the children of Chittim ruled over Edom, and Edom became under the hand of the children of Chittim and became one kingdom from that day. And from that time they could no more lift up their heads, and their kingdom became one with the children of Chittim. – Jasher 90:1-9
The Septuagint Bible uses Chittim interchangeably with Rome. Edom and Rome were therefore a united nation centuries before the empire rose to superpower status. The Edomite warrior gene was among them long before their brutality was revealed to the world.
Two Empires, one bloodline
Both the Greek and Roman empires were established through conquest by the sword. They were armies whose rank was filled by descendants from the great warrior and hunter: Esau himself. His blood and DNA was in their body and this was reflected in their military skills and genius. But it was also reflected in their brutality and their disregard for human life.
The subsequent spread of their empire in Europe and Africa is evident in the map of the empire and their DNA (E1b1b). The rise of Rome and Greece is not accidental, it had been prophesied centuries earlier by Balaam the son of Beor.
Balaam’s Prophecies about Greece and Rome
There was a time after Israel had defeated the Amorites that Moab was afraid for their people. Balak the king then sent for the prophet Balaam to curse Israel. Instead, Balaam blessed Israel and spoke a prophetic parable.
And when he looked on Amalek, he took up his parable, and said, Amalek was the first of the nations; but his latter end shall be that he perish forever. – Numbers 24:20
And ships shall come from the coast of Chittim, and shall afflict Asshur, and shall afflict Eber, and he also shall perish forever. – Numbers 24:24
Amalek will come, and will perish, Before the Greek Empire, people were known only by their tribal identities. When the Darius came to Greece, he fought city-states like Sparta, Acadia, Athens etc. Under Alexander, the states became a unified Greece; the first united nations comprising numerous states with equal rights and social standing.
Rome created modern citizenship rules
The parable says that Rome (Chittim) too will come and will also perish forever. Before Chittim will perish, he will afflict Eber (Israel descended from Eber). Chittim became the second multi-tribal nation and introduced the concept of citizenship. Between Greece and Rome, tribal identities and bloodlines became blurred. Since then, people have been identified primarily by their nationality, not their bloodlines or tribal affiliations. That is the reason for the people being identified as Moroccans or Algerians. It is why some people now identify themselves as Irish Americans, Native Americans, African Americans etc to try and retain their ancestral origins.
Rome began the practice of requiring papers to move across regional boundaries. This was the predecessor of modern travel visas.
But out of Jacob shall come him that shall have dominion (Numbers 24:19 referring to Christ). The sons of Jacob (with E1b1a DNA) now call themselves Ghanaians, Nigerians, African Americans, Congolese etc.
Amalek was the first of the nations, …then after, ships shall come from the coasts of Chittim. First there was Greece, and then came Rome.
One People, Several nations, one Region
Reading through all the battles the Edomites engaged in, I couldn’t help but wonder how they could be in so many places. We do know from Jasher 90 that Chittim (Rome) fought against Edom bringing them under submission. They were inseparable from then on. We also know that they had established or conquered many of the Greek city-states. So, the Greeks were part Edomites.
Edom shall dwell in the fatness of the earth
How is it possible to have so many fragmented groups of Edom? Genesis 27 and 36 gives us a possible explanation. Many dukes came out of Edom and several of them established city-states in the rich fertile lands of the Mediterranean. This was the blessing that Isaac had prophesied many years earlier.
And Isaac his father answered and said unto him, Behold, thy dwelling shall be the fatness of the earth, and of the dew of heaven from above. – Genesis 27:39
The most arable lands in the world are still concentrated around the Mediterranean and southern Europe till this day. The Roman Empire at its height therefore encompassed the fatness of the earth, and of the dew of heaven from above.
This location raises again the question about the isles of the gentiles (Genesis 10:5). Wasn’t the Mediterranean region divided among the descendants of Japheth?
Edom subdued Japheth
Years before Chittim (Rome) defeated Edom, Zepho the grandson of Esau had been first a mercenary and then ruler in Chittim and all of Italy (Jasher 61:13-25). He subdued the Japhetic nations in the region including Tubal, and ruled over them. All the islands of Japhet (gentiles) therefore came under the rule of Chittim. The surviving Japhetic bloodlines were incorporated first into Chittim and later formed part of the Roman Empire. We see their presence in the E1b1b haplogroup all over the isles of the gentiles. From that point on, the isles of the gentiles became part Edom, part Japheth. We have a confirmation in 2 Macabees 1:1 where we see that Alexander (an Edomite) came out from the land of Chittim. (Remember the Septuagint uses Chittim interchangeably for Greece and Rome). At a later point in time, the second book of Macabees also references a Seleucid general and governor of Idumea called Georgios. The Seleucid Empire extended from Babylonia through Anatolia, Persia, Levant and all the way to Pakistan.
Edom had basically conquered and replaced many of the japhetic bloodlines in the mediterranean. Alexander merely reunited these independent Edomite city states under one banner and merged them with the surviving Japhetic states.
Interestingly, a town on the border between Greece and Macedonia adopted the name Idomeni in 1936 after an ‘ancient’ Greek town called Idomene that used to exist there. Could Idomene be an ancient town of Edomites?
Why is E1b1b predominant in North Africa rather than in Greece/Italy
This is a vital question and I think the answer is found also in history.
North Africa was not the only region invaded by foreigners. After invading North Africa, Europe too had its share of foreign invaders. The Moors, Huns, Mongols and Vikings all subjected the Mediterranean states to repeated occupations. The Huns were said to have triggered the great migration that allegedly contributed to the collapse of the Western Roman Empire.
As the Greco-Romans forever changed the composition of North Africa, Europe too would become altered by invasions and migrations. The Vandals, Moors, Huns and Vikings all resided in Mediterranean Europe for extended periods of time. The consequence is the cascade of unrelated haplogroups seen in the region today. This led to the dilution of the previously predominant E1b1b haplogroup by the newer DNA infusions into the local population.
REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY OF EDOM
Edom’s method of conquest is to totally destroy and replace. We see it in the relationship with the Horites and in Babylon.
We have already seen how the Edomites replaced the Horites in Jasher 57. They adopted the home, name and culture of the conquered people. They lived like and claimed to be local to the area. It is a practise and technique of replacement that Edom still uses today. It is evident in some of the people who claim to be aboriginals of Australia and North America. Many are simply descended from European men who married native women. In Canada, these are given a special name of Metis.
Yes, the Edomites were in Babylon (Obadiah 1:13 and psalm 137:7). They were cheering on the Babylonians when they razed down the city of Jerusalem.
Edomites burnt the Temple, not the Babylonians
We have all heard that the first and second temples were destroyed by Babylon and Rome respectively. Well, that is only a partial truth.
Thou also hast vowed to build up the temple, which the Edomites burned when Judea was made desolate by the Chaldees. – 1 Esdras 4:45.
It was actually the Edomites who burnt both Temples. They were able to do this, because they were first aligned with Babylon and later they returned as Romans.
As Judah was taken into captivity, the Edomites entered into Jerusalem to live as Judeans. The Babylonians allowed them to settle in Palestine as a reward for war services. They replaced the original Israelites in the land.
During the days of the Maccabees, John Hycranus forced the Judean Edomites to convert to Judaism (1 maccabees 5:1-5). The Greeks and Romans thereafter referred to the region as Idumea.
We see the replacement theology in the days of the Greek Emperor Antiochus who sought to make Jerusalem a home of the gentiles (see here). He consequently became Jewish and took Judaism back to Greece and the gentile isles. These Jewish Edomites consequently moved into palestine and became Judeans. By the time of Christ, the Jewish Edomites had established themselves as Jews and the Pharisees we read about in the New Testament.
We be Abraham’s seed
We see a confirmation of many Jews as Edomites in John 8:33.
They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
The Jews claimed to be children of Abraham, but were never in bondage. This is contrary to the sons of Jacob who were in bondage to Egypt and then in Babylon.
Christ confirms their origins in the following verses.
I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. – John 8:37-38
We generally interpret this passage as referring to our heavenly father and the devil. true as that may be, i think He is also referring to the physical. Messiah descended from the house of Jacob while the Edomites descended from Esau. They are different genetically. Messiah is E1b1a and the Edomites are E1b1b.
The guardian of Esau
In John 8:38, Yehushua is claiming that the inspiration for the Israelites is different from the inspiration of the Jewish Edomites (see Jubilees 35:17). The guardian (inspiration) of Jacob is more powerful and praised than the guardian of Esau.
But who are these guardians?
For in the division of the nations of the whole earth he set a ruler over every people; but Israel is the Lord’s portion. – Eclesiasticus 17:17 (Apocrypha)
Every nation has a ruler, a spirit that rules over the people. It sets the agenda for the spirituality and characteristics of the people in its domain. This ruler decides if the nation is under the control of the spirit of Sodomy or idolatry. We read about the prince of Persia who withstood the prayer of the prophet in the book of Daniel.
The Talmud names the guardian of Esau as Samael. He is described as an accuser, seducer and destroyer. No wonder Edom is such a destructive force and his path is littered with blood and death.
The guardian of Jacob however is the Most High. It is why the true sons of Jacob do not go around destroying other nations and seizing their wealth. Their guardian is neither a thief nor a destroyer. When Babylon and Assyria expelled Israel from the land, the Edomites made their guardian the ruler of the land. Through deception and lies, they attempted to have dominion over the land and the earth. The 10 tribes were therefore unable to return to Israel. They will not do so until the Messiah comes to liberate the land from the guardian of Esau.
Many Israelites fled Jerusalem and headed to Egypt and Africa at the threat of the approaching Roman army. Just before the Roman siege of Jerusalem, 20,000 Edomites reportedly entered the city and stayed there. It is speculated that they replaced the Israelites and form part of the predecessors of the people we call Jews today. The name Edom subsequently disappeared from history. Until recently, when Sehovo was renamed Idomeni, there had been no traces of Idumea anywhere.
After the sacking of Jerusalem, the Romans later deported these Jewish Edomites to lands that later became the Christian nations of Russia, Poland, Germany and England. They were blamed for the death of Christ and were not allowed to work or trade. So they began lending money to earn a living; the predecessors of modern banking. The Israelites on the other hand were sent to captivity in all nations and would not loan money to anyone (Deuteronomy 28:43-44).
A very widespread teaching today is that the Church is the new Israel, the chosen people today. All the blessings of Israel now belong to the Church. This is a replacement theology that has no biblical foundation.
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the HOUSE OF ISRAEL and with the HOUSE OF JUDAH: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. – Hebrews 8:8-12
Christ died primarily for Israel
The New Testament covenant was primarily given to the house of Israel and Judah. The gentiles do reap some benefits from this covenant, but only by being grafted into the body of Christ.
But he answered and said, I AM NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL. Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs. And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table. – Matthew 15:24-27
The Messiah was sent primarily to the children of Israel, but the gentiles and others may benefit from His sacrifice.
Here is another passage from the book of Revelation
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. – Revelation 7:3-4
Yes, the tribes still exist and they are identifiable. If God had replaced the children of Israel with the church, why is he sealing 144,000 of them as his servants during the tribulation period? The answer is simple. Israel is still Israel and the gentiles are still gentiles. Messiah died that both may have a chance at salvation.
The replacement theology was and still is the doctrine of Edom. It is what he does best.
E1b1b is the Y-DNA haplogroup of Edom
We now know that the founding fathers of both the Greek and Roman empires were Edomites. Under the rule of the princes of Edom, Greece and Rome conquered the Japhetic nations. Both bloodlines now co-exist as one people.
God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. – Genesis 9:27
We not only have Edomites who think they are Europeans, but also Europeans who think they are biblical Israelites. God has given the people over to their delusions. Facial appearances may be deceptive, but the DNA haplogroup E1b1b will not lie. It is why the Ashkenazi Jews fall predominantly into two haplogroups. E1b1b and J; the one part Edom, the other part Japheth. Neither faction truly worships the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They rely on the Babylonian Kabala and Talmudic traditions of the Pharisees rather than what is outlined in the Torah (Matthew 15:2-3).
This is what the Messiah had to say about the Pharisees whose teachings constitute the Talmud:
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. – John 8:44-47
The Greco-Roman DNA is the Edomite DNA. Despite historical migrations, it still exists in significant numbers in European countries like Greece, Albania, Armenia, Italy and Turkey today.
HAPLOGROUP E IS THE SHEMETIC Y-DNA
According to biblical accounts, Esau (Edom) was the elder twin of Jacob. Being a son of Isaac makes him and his descendant shemites by blood. Edom was known to have intermarried with the Canaanites, Ishmaelites and later the Japhetic blood lines (book of Jasher). This explains why E1b1b is such a diverse haplogroup showing no racial boundaries. There are Caucasian Edomites and Negroid Edomites (say what?). Yes, there are Negroid Edomites from Esau’s union with Ishmaelites. Caucasoid Edomites are from the union with the Neanderthal-infused Japhethic and Canaanite bloodline. Esau himself is believed by some to be Negroid because of his descent from Isaac. Others say he is Caucasoid because of the word ‘red like a hairy garment’ used to describe him. Red hairy garment supposedly suggests Esau had high pheomelanin and low/absent Eumelanin as seen in Caucasians (see my post on races here).
By contrast, the closely related E1b1a of Jacob is limited to people with Negroid ancestry. Below are a few Bible passages that highlight this.
Israel is a ‘Black Face’
My skin is BLACK upon me, and my bones are burned with heat. – Job 30:30
Job claimed to be a black man.
These next passages all describe the Israelites.
Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish; they are BLACK unto the ground; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up. – Jeremiah 14:2
Their visage is BLACKER than a coal; they are not known in the streets: their skin cleaveth to their bones; it is withered, it is become like a stick. – Lamentations 4:8
Our skin was BLACK like an oven because of the terrible famine. – Lamentations 5:10
Visage in Lamentations 4:8 means face. The children of Israel were what you could call black faces!
Then the priest shall look on him: and, behold, if the scall be spread in the skin, the priest shall not seek for YELLOW HAIR; he is unclean. But if the scall be in his sight at a stay, and that there is BLACK HAIR grown up therein; the scall is healed, he is clean: and the priest shall pronounce him clean.– Leviticus 13:36-37
As far as the Israelites were concerned, they all had black hair on their skin and head until it turned white/grey in old age. A yellow (blonde) hair was a sign of leprosy and uncleaness.
A is for Jacob and B is for Esau
Having read through this post, we can now see that if E1b1b is the DNA of Esau, it makes perfect sense that the E1b1a is that of his twin brother Jacob (Israel). I will not go into other reasons why I think E1b1a is the Y-DNA haplogroup of Israel. I will refer you to Dr. Yehoshua Ben Ephraim who has been writing on the subject for some time now. I will point out however that this classification explains why so many West and South-central African tribes have ancient Israelite-like cultures. You can see my post on the Yorubas here.
It also explains why vessels that shipped slaves from Africa were sailed by the E1b1b-rich Jews of Europe. They were simply repeating what they had done previously as allies to Babylon and Rome. This time, they worked with the Japhetic nations colonizing the New World.
Thirdly, it helps us to understand why the Arabs called the non-Christian West African slaves the people of the book. This was an ancient terminology used exclusively to describe the Israelites. With this information, we can now appreciate the reasons for the absolute disdain the Arabs, European fascists and North Africans have for Negros. For many of them, it’s in their blood — literally.
The Arab slave trade lasted from the 7th to the 21st century. The Bantu people that had migrated from the Nigeria/Cameroon homeland were the primary targets. Interestingly, many of these slaves worked on cotton, grain and cash crop plantations owned by Somalis. Slave owners from Northeast Africa (including Ethiopia) had a practice of sewing up female slaves so they couldn’t conceive. This would prevent them from conceiving thereby raising their market price. Some Ethiopian females were also shipped to the Arab world, but primarily as concubines and mistresses.
There were two passages through which slave trade occurred in Africa — Arabian and transatlantic. In both routes, Negroes with Israel E1b1a DNA primarily were enslaved and Edomites with E1b1b DNA were channels of enslavement. Is this mere coincidence?
Israel is to Slavery what Edom is to War
The history of Israel is one that is fairly well known to any Bible student. They were enslaved in Egypt and Babylon. They were expelled under Assyrian and Roman rule and (as some now believe) were enslaved again during the transatlantic/Arabian slave trades. There are many passages that mention this including Deuteronomy 28:15-68. If anyone seeks the sons of Jacob, follow the very well trodden paths of the trade routes; there you will find them and their DNA — E1b1a.
The ways of Esau on the other hand are less well known. Most people are barely aware of anything more than what is revealed about him in Genesis 25-27. His history is mostly hidden in the Apocrypha (meaning hidden) books. Reading through the Apocrypha, we learn a lot about his character and personality. Though he has taken up several different identities, he is unmasked in the books of Jasher and Jubilees.
In Jasher 26:17 and Jubilees 19:14, Esau is describes as a deceiver and brawler learning war while Jacob was pretty much domesticated. Jasher 27:1-14 describe Esau as a predator who ambushes and murders Nimrod for his coat. His encounter with Nimrod left him exhausted and wounded leading to the famous pottage incidence with Jacob in Genesis 25:29-34.
No wonder the Apocryphal books were removed from the KJV Bible in the 19th century.
One thing that does stand out about Edom is that he is a military guy. He is always found where there is war and bloodshed. If he is not fighting as a nation, he is fighting as a mercenary. He is often identified as a military genius and a brave ‘hero’, men of renown.
Alexander, Napoleon and Hitler were Edomites
Zepho started as a mercenary for hire and then as king conquering the isles of the gentiles. He is the perfect Edomite who glories in blood and conquests.
We see Edom in Alexander the great and in Greece. He stands out in Rome and many of its Emperors. History is replete with odes to the Greco-Roman valor and conquests. We have all at some point watched movies about Alexander, Julius Caesar, Achilles, Sparta and Perseus. We are awed by their courage and military skills.
More modern military tacticians like Italy’s Mussolini (also has E1b1b DNA) sought to recreate such ‘glory’ for themselves.
The greatness and military genius of Napoleon Bonaparte does not escape our attention. Neither have we forgotten the bloodiest military campaign in human history under Germany’s Adolf Hitler. Both Napoleon and Hitler wanted to create a master race to rule the world. They both left behind a bloody trail of death and destruction. Both of them have been confirmed to belong to the E1b1b DNA haplogroup.
It is interesting to note that in the 1920’s, Adolf Hitler was widely recognized to be a Rothschild. He was therefore supported by them and by the British royals in his ascension to power. In his book titled the mind of Hitler, the psychoanalyst Walter Langer also made this Rothschild claim. If it is true, this would make the Rothschild family E1b1b and therefore Edom. This confirms therefore that Esau truly rules the world and Jerusalem; the nation with the six pointed stars. This star symbol has been the Rothschild logo for centuries, long before the creation of the Israeli state. Esau truly is the end of the world.
Other major wartime leaders have been shown to belong to this haplogroup. I will not bother to list them here; my point is already made.
These were the mighty men of old; they were military ‘giants’ who brought the known world to its knees. They were generals on the field, mighty hunters of men. They gloried in the bloody battlefields of the world, and history magnifies them as villains and heroes.
E1b1b is attracted to conflict
If anyone seeks the sons of Esau, follow the bloody battles around the world, there you will find them at work. Their signature is signed in blood and in their DNA — E1b1b. The longest and bloodiest battles in the world revolve around the E1b1b regions — Napoleon, 100 years war, first and second world wars, French revolution, Islamic Jihad and the crusades.
It is easy to conclude that the wars above were because these were the limits of the known world at the time. How about today then? The tensest regions are still the Middle East and North Africa, not the New World or Australia.
Most (not all) modern day Jihadist come from predominantly E1b1b territories. The ‘terrorist’ state of today (ISIS or DAESH) is in E1b1b territory. This state attracted most of its recruits from E1b1b nations and their descendants. During the last Palm Sunday, there was a report about bombings in two churches in Egypt. 40 people were reported dead; no doubt victims of an E1b1b blood bath.
The recent American Donald Trump travel ban was targeting some E1b1b rich territories. This does not make the ban justifiable, rather, it shows that the world recognises the aggressiveness of carriers of the E1b1b gene of Edom.
Even the Talmud concludes that Edom is at the heart of every major war. He has a military solution to every dispute. By his sword he lived and still lives today.
GENETICS DOES MATTER
I have read articles and watched videos that claim to identify Edom as the white man. That is like saying all black men are Israelites. What happened to Japheth and Ham? There were three sons descended from Noah, not one. The other two sons described in Genesis were not imaginary characters. Even though Edom is mostly merged with Japheth, the Japhetic DNA is still distinguishable. Edom never completely destroyed the male lineage of the conquered territories. They loved to keep a remnant as slaves and these slaves bred to raise the next generation of slaves. The Y-DNA haplogroup is transferred from father to son regardless of the mother’s identity. Japheth’s DNA is still among the European population. I believe the Japhetic DNA is the F haplogroup and all its descendants. It is the largest because as Noah prophecied, God shall enlarge Japheth (Genesis 9:27).
People who try to hide the bloodlines tell you that genetics doesn’t matter since we are all mixed anyway. Yet the same people tell us that we need the genetics to track population movements.
There are two issues that we do need to consider. Firstly, not all populations are racially mixed. Some Sub-Saharan African nations has remained genetically unmixed as studies have shown (see figure on genetic admixture above). Secondly, no matter how much racial mixing there is, the Y-DNA is always inherited from the father.
Difference between Y-DNA and mtDNA
God is known as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, not of Sarah, Rebecca and Leah. He recognises Israel and Judah by paternal bloodlines. We see this in the book of Chronicles and in the first chapter of Matthew.
The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the SON of David, the SON of Abraham. – Matthew 1:1
It is how God tracks his people. If He tracked his people by maternal bloodlines, a vastly divers range of people would be numbered among His chosen.
An example is seen in Joseph’s sons Manasseh and Ephraim. They would have their father’s E1b1a DNA making them Israelites though their mother was a Hamite. According to maternal lineage, they would be ancient Egyptians, not Israelites. They would either not be counted as Israelites, or you would have to number the ancient Egyptians as the children of Israel. That makes no sense at all. Maternal lineage is only useful if you are tracking the offspring of a special woman. One such woman would be Esau’s wife the Horite who brought the nephilim gene into his bloodline.
Edom is not ‘all white men’
Grouping men by skin color is wrongly assuming that the Y-DNA is responsible for traits like skin and eye color. That is not so, such characteristics are transmitted via autosomal genes.
There are Caucasoid Edomites just like there are Negroid Edomites. E1b1b cuts across racial boundaries. The skin color has nothing to do with the Y-DNA inheritance pattern. The melanin destroying Neanderthal gene is more relevant to skin color than the Y_DNA type. The Neanderthal DNA when present is known to abound in the areas of the human genome that affect the skin and hair. Consequently, every Caucasoid person (European/Asian) has some amount of Neanderthal gene in him/her. Non-Caucasoids (Sub-Saharan Africa) do not have this gene. This latter group are all dark skinned people. Based on the Bible passages listed under the subsection ‘Israel is a black face’, it is apparent that the ancient Israelites did did not have the Neanderthal gene either.
Where is Edom?
If you have read through this entire post, you probably have an idea about where I think the Edomites predominantly reside today. Like all races and ethnic groups however, he is probably everywhere. So how can we locate him?
Wikipedia notes on Edom
Wikipedia has a few interesting entries.
- Many nomadic groups from the Arabian Desert including Amalekites have collectively been termed Arabs.
- The Armenians have traditionally been identified as Amalekites as far back as the 10th century. It was documented by the Italian Jew Joseph Ben Gorion in the Hebrew chronicle Josippon.
- The Byzantine Emperor Leo V the Armenian was known as “the Amalekite”
- Haman from the book of Ester was considered by many to be an Armenian.
- Among Armenians who traded with Jews in eastern Galicia, there was a practice of mourning Haman’s death on Purim, and lighting candles in his memory.
- Some Jewish scholars have associated the Nazis with Amalek.
- The Edomite religion was to a stone cube representation of God (Hmm).
- The Amalekites were a people in southern Syria with Moab that included the Araba tribes in the Roman province of Arabia Petra.
It is interesting that all the groups mentioned above lived in regions that had a Roman presence. They all still have significant amounts of the E1b1b haplogroup in their population. It would also explain the haplogroup migration from Arabia into Abyssinia as mentioned earlier in this post.
What does the Bible say about Edom?
The Bible has several end times prophecies concerning Edom.
Therefore thus saith the Lord God; I will also stretch out mine hand upon Edom, and will cut off man and beast from it; and I will make it desolate from Teman; and they of Dedan shall fall by the sword. – Ezekiel 25:13
Both Teman and Dedan were part of the Araba tribes in Romes’ Arabia Petra.
Here is another passage
But I have made Esau bare, I have uncovered his secret places, and he shall not be able to hide himself: his seed is spoiled, and his brethren, and his neighbours, and he is not. Leave thy fatherless children, I will preserve them alive; and let thy widows trust in me. For thus saith the Lord; Behold, they whose judgment was not to drink of the cup have assuredly drunken; and art thou he that shall altogether go unpunished? thou shalt not go unpunished, but thou shalt surely drink of it. For I have sworn by myself, saith the Lord, that Bozrah shall become a desolation, a reproach, a waste, and a curse; and all the cities thereof shall be perpetual wastes. I have heard a rumour from the Lord, and an ambassador is sent unto the heathen, saying, Gather ye together, and come against her, and rise up to the battle. For, lo, I will make thee small among the heathen, and despised among men. –Jeremiah 49:10-15
Bozrah was the capital of the Edom civilization. It is located in todays Jordan area and it still has a significant prevalence of E1b1b DNA. The passage above describes how the heathen (gentiles) would gather together to destroy Edom. There is no historical account of such a war after Jeremiah’s time. So, this is a battle for the future. The true Japhetic bloodline will seek a permanent separation from Edom.
Edom is the people of the prince
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. – Daniel 9:26
The Messiah indeed was cut off not for himself, but to take away the sins of His people. Forty years later, the people of the prince (Romans) came and destroyed both the city and the sanctuary. Which Prince do these people come from? Their prince is the prince of the power of the air (Ephesians 2:2) — Lucifer. According to the historian Josephus, the streets of Jerusalem were flooded with the blood of the slain flowing from the temple. The land has been desolate since, the biological descendants of Israel have not returned to the land till this day. The abominations currently taking place in the Holy land is totally desecrating the land. In fact Tel Aviv is now officially the world sodomy capital of the world.
Red all over; like a hairy garment
And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau – Genesis 25:25
A major distinguishing feature of Esau was his hairiness. He was completely covered with hair such that Jacob had to wear goat skin while pretending to be Esau (Genesis 27:18). Esau apparently had straight rough hair (like a goat) all over his arms and neck while Jacob did not.
Using this information, I decided to check the hairiness of men around the globe as a means of tracking Edom. The result was quite interesting. Take a look.
The top population group with the largest body hair distribution (over 70%) were around the Mediterranean. These overlapped perfectly with the E1b1b distribution in this area of the world. This region encompasses South-western Europe, North Africa and Arabia. The areas with less than 70% hair distribution are the places where both Edomites and other non-Edomite bloodlines contribute to the population. Countries like Yemen (60-69%) and Qatar (50-59%) have significant numbers of Ishmaelites and Japhetic descendants within their populations. In contrast, West-central and South-central Africa along with the Indonesia region have populations with less than 5% body hair distribution. Without a doubt, Edom has not found residence among these latter populations.
Anthropologically, hair distribution has been associated with climate. With the exception of Scandinavia, people in the cold northern regions of the globe are less hairy than Mediterranean residents. However, residents of Greenland are as hairless as the South-central Africans, Vietnamese and Indonesians living around the Equator. Australians and New Zealanders are significantly more hairy than Siberians.
If hairiness is indeed a distinguishing feature of Edom, then his descendants are truly living in the E1b1b prevalent regions of the world.
Not all Arabs are Edomites
Many preachers of European descent conveniently call all Arabs Edomites. This in my opinion is primarily to despise the place of Islam among the Arabs.
A simple look at the Y-DNA map of the Arabs helps us to see that they do not all come from the same paternal line. Many Arabs have primarily the Japhetic DNA haplogroups (F and its descendants) of Europe while many are simply Ishmaelites. It is no longer a secret that the Saudi Arabian Saud family also migrated to Arabia from Khazaria. This explains the striking similarities between some Arabian and European Y-DNA haplogroup profiles (groups G,J and R). Naturally, there are many with the Edomite haplogroup E1b1b from the fusion with Esau (Genesis 28:9).
THOU SHALT NOT ABHOR AN EDOMITE
Now that we know the relationship of E1b1b to Edom and his activities, what should be our response?
Deuteronomy 23:7 admonished the Israelites not to abhor the Edomite for he is their brother. Looking at all the atrocities of Edom against the sons of Jacob, it is very easy to forget this admonition.
More than ever, there is now an urgent need to remove hate from the hearts of all men. It is not the portion of any man to seek revenge for that which was done. Vengeance belongs to God and him alone.
So what if I am an Edomite?
The Messiah (Yehushua/Jesus) died at Golgota that we may live. Yehushua is the only way to get saved regardless of whether we are Israelites, Edomites or descendants of Japheth or Ham. We aught to acknowledge our sins, repent of it and receive His salvation grace like everyone else.
I know there are those who claim that an Edomite cannot be saved. That is only true for as long as he remains unrepentant and continues in his ways.
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? BRING FORTH THEREFORE FRUITS MEET FOR REPENTANCE: And think not to say within yourselves, we have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. – Matthew 3:7-10
Being a descendant of Abraham does not guarantee anyone salvation. Each man has to work out his salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12). You must bring forth the fruits of repentance regardless of your ancestry.
Other Famous People with E1b1b Y-DNA
Barack Hussein Obama was the 44th president of the United States. The Afghanistan and Irag wars ended under his watch. He was also leader of the free world during the Ukranian revolution, Annexing of Crimea by Russia and Arab spring. During his term in office, the wars in Syria, Yemen, Libya and Somalia began. Obama expanded the use of targeted assassinations under the drone project.
President Lyndon Johnson of the United States. He presided over the Vietnam war.
Giuseppe Garibaldi was a General and politician who fought in the unification of Italy. He was called the “Hero of Two Worlds” because of his military enterprises in Brazil, Uruguay and Europe. He was basically a mercenary whose sword was hired to the highest bidder.
Not all E1b1b people have been associated with violence though. These include:
Albert Einstein – Nobel price winning physicist
Wright brothers – They invented the aeroplane
The last two million years by Readers Digest
Esau and Japhet covered the face of Israel and broke the yoke by JUDAH ISRAEL
Esau is not the white man (GDASH THE PROPHET)
Scriptures are taken from the authorised King James Version.
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55 thoughts on “E1b1b; The Y-DNA Haplogroup of Edom, not of Israel”
very interesting but leaving out important details. The highest concentration of haplogroup e1b1b is not north africa but east africa pre i.e horn of africa. Please make sure not to be bias on your analysis thanks and thank you.
Thanks for your comment. Yes you are right, e1b1b also has a high concentration in the horn of Africa. Historically, this region also has Arab and some Italian contribution to their genetic pool as well. I think for the most part, they might possibly be the line of Esau through his Ishmaelite wife. They are different from the line through Esau’s horite wife that we see in North Africa. I focused more on North Africa because there is better documentation of their history and so easier to track.The role of Edom in North Africa is more visible which makes their DNA more obvious to me.
Wow you write article about nation without knowing them.You made me luaght so hard,horn africans mix Italians never heard that.I’M Somali and zero mix with Italian.Somali’s are Pure race more than 85% carry e1b1b 20% carry T and less 5% are menority bantu and arab. LET ME TELL YOU THE BIRTH OF E1B1B IS HORN AFRICA.
Thank you for your comment. I’m glad the article brings you laughter.
Your comment however contradicts itself. You said that Ethiopians are a pure race. In the same sentence you claim they are 85% E1b1b, 20% T and less than 5% Bantu and Arab. Please explain to me how you can come from 4 different paternal lines and still be pure?
This article on E1b1b includes a schematic of the genetic admixture of various populations (which you can also see at http://racialreality.blogspot.com/2013/12/global-admixture-analysis-at-k6.html). Take another look at the rows representing Ethiopian populations, and compare them to the Europeans. Populations in the Horn of Africa have significant Caucasoid genetic contribution from Europe. That is a documented fact and there are numerous publications by geneticists attesting to that fact. If you’ve never heard this before as you claim, then you need to research the topic more. A simple scan of Youtube alone will show you numerous Ethiopians who discuss their DNA results online. As I recall, practically all of them have some European genetic contributions to their DNA. I am certain you will find more scientific proof online.
I suspect you have never had your DNA analyzed, you might be surprised by what it reveals.
Once again, thanks for visiting my blog and leaving a comment.
Hey, glad that i stumble on this in yahoo. Thanks!
You are welcome
I wish to thank you profusely for this DNA analysis of the Edomites.
My colleague and I have been examining other older archaeological information which does not have the same impact as scientific DNA proof.
If possible could you please email me and discuss thi important DNA evidence as we are very interested in it.
I have a degree in Archaeology from Sydney University but I haven’t done a lot of study about Archeaogenetics.
Once again my sincerest thanks for your important analysis.
Andrew Petrou (B.A. Dip. Ed).
Thank you Andrew for your interest in the article. I really appreciate your leaving a comment.
The article is an analysis of published data from Scriptures, scientific articles and various websites. I only put them together and tried to make sense out of it all.
Do let me know the specific information you will like to discuss.
Thanks Judah for this very informative article.
Some of your informations needs to be corrected, please note that Alexander the Great was not descendant of Amalek, but of Teman – the first born son of Eliphaz.
Eliphaz, the first born son of Esau / Edom, was the first king of Temanites, also known as Thameans.
“10 These are the names of Esau’s sons:
Eliphaz, the son of Esau’s wife Adah, and Reuel, the son of Esau’s wife Basemath.
11 The sons of Eliphaz:
Teman, Omar, Zepho, Gatam and Kenaz.”
We also know Eliphaz from the Book of Job.
Septuagint LXX provide us with detailed information regarding not only Eliphaz, but also of Job – the second king of Edom.
It also mentions Zophar, the king of MINAEANS / Minoans, known from Genesis 36 as the third son of Eliphaz, and from the Book of Jasher as Zepho, who organized conquest of Egypt by Hyksos.
Book of Jasher also mentions Job, still as an ‘officer from the land of Uz’.
Septuagint, LXX (Job CH 42:17)
“17 And Job died, an old man and full of days: and it is written that he will rise again with those whom the Lord raises up.
This man is described in the Syriac book as living in the land of Ausis, on the borders of Idumea (Edom) and Arabia:
and his name before was Jobab;
and having taken an Arabian wife, he begot a son whose name was Ennon.
And he himself was the son of his father Zare, one of the sons of Esau,
and of his mother Bosorrha, so that he was the fifth from Abraam.
And these were the kings who reigned in Edom, which country he also ruled over:
first, Balac, the son of Beor, and the name of his city was Dennaba:
but after Balac, Jobab, who is called Job,
and after him Asom, who was governor out of the country of Thaeman: and after him Adad, the son of Barad, who destroyed Madiam in the plain of Moab; and the name of his city was Gethaim.
And his friends who came to him were
Eliphaz, of the children of Esau, king of the Thaemanites,
Baldad sovereign the Sauchaeans,
Sophar king of the Minaeans.”
The Book of Job – Chapter 42:17
http://www.ecmarsh.com/lxx/Job/index.htm – Septuagint LXX
http://khazarzar.skeptik.net/biblia/coptic/job_copt.pdf Ancient Coptic
GENEALOGY OF JOB
based on Septuagint LXX, ancient Coptic, and present Bibles.
HAGAR (wife) (Gen.16:3) SARAH (wife) (Gen.17:15)
ISHMAEL (firstborn son) (Gen.16:15) ISAAC (promised son) (Gen.17:19) I
Basemath (daughter of Ishmael) married ESAU (firstborn son of Issac) (Gen.36:3) II
REUL (son of ESAU and BASEMATH) (Gen.36:4) III
ZERAH (son of REUL) (Gen.36:13) IV
JOB (son of ZERAH) (Septuagint-Job42:17d) Generation – V
Job of Edom.
Thanks Job of Edom,
I appreciate your comments and the time you took to provide the references.
You may also find some of these ideas interesting
Job of Edom
Dear Job of Edom,
Thank you for the link to Edom 2012, I will most certainly check it out.
From my research; My DNA Haplogroup is E-v13 which stems from Nimrod according to most online research sites. However it sub divides in order. E-V13(Nimrod) -> E-M96 (HAM) -> DE-M145(Japheth). i am curious as to how i can be considered Hametic AND Japhetic. In doing further research to see which Haplogroup Esau is. I have found that Esua is LT -> L -> T
Therefore E1b1b stemming from East Africa went north as where Esau and his decedents went east from Israel which is shown on the map Edom and further into the middle east.
Thank you for visiting my blog and leaving a comment.
It is impossible to belong to two different paternal lines (eg Ham and Japheth), and one man cannot have two Y-DNA haplogroups. This is genetically impossible. The fact that the source of your information suggests otherwise is enough reason for you to be cautious about information sourced from there.
The link you suggested in your comments lead to a page called ‘A Catholic Jew Pontificates’. As a rule, I distrust any thing that has links to Catholic doctrines until proven accurate (see here for why).
The article goes on to state a number of things about Adam, Eve and the Patriarchs that have no basis in Scripture. For example, the website indicates that Adam had green eyes and red hair without stating the source of that information. In fact, he did not state the source of any of his information though he appears to claim knowledge of all the Y-DNA haplogroups as well as that of the Neanderthal and Denisovan genes. He/she needs to show scriptures to back up the claims in the article. As far as I can see, there is only one Scripture reference in the entire article that refers to bricks used to build the tower of Babel.
The linked article highlights the teaching points of the Brit-Am movement (ie European Israelite movement). I am guessing the writer is a member of that movement. For that reason we see statements that describes the intelligence of the three bloodlines of Noah’s children and describes the emotional nature of Ham’s bloodline.The article also seems to suggest that the Ashkenazi’s are Biblical Israelites contrary to the scriptural descriptions of what the Israelites looked like.
Lastly, the article picks the Y-DNA haplogroup tree and adds the names of Biblical characters without showing how the conclusions were arrived at.
In all, I cannot take the article on aronbengilad above seriously because it makes a lot of statements without showing any scriptural evidence. I have made it a point on my blog to only describe what I see in Scriptures. And when I do speculate, I state clearly that the statement is my thoughts. Based on the research I explained in this article (with references), I believe you are neither Ham nor Japheth but Esau.
Excellent analysis. I like your dispassionate, also compassionate, style.
I have just two quibbles/queries:
1) The Ethiopians today… are they more Esau (therefore Shem), or Kush (therefore Ham)?
2) I’m doubtful that Alexander was Edomite. And I’m not seeing the source for that claim; maybe I missed it. Could you please restate.
As to the second query, I doubt it would weaken your major thesis about the “alliance” between Esau and Japheth. The same applies to the Khazar origin of the Ashkenazi Jews (ref. Arthur Koestler, 13th Tribe; Shlomo Sand, Invention of the Jewish people). Even if the Ashkenazi Jews are predominantly Khazar, and therefore of Japheth, it would not discount the Edomite presence (e.g. the Rothschilds, as you assert) among them.
On another point, may I invite you to take a look at my two recent titles:
1) “The Appointed Time, The Tarrying and His Faith: Or the Testament of the Suffering Servant”; see https://www.amazon.de/Appointed-Time-Tarrying-His-Faith/dp/9769607169; and
2) “Numerology and the Seven Days of Creation”; see https://www.amazon.co.uk/Numerology-Seven-Creation-Malachi-Yahmin/dp/9769607177
If either of these is of interest, please send me an email, I’d like to discuss further.
Malachi Yahya ben Yahmin
Hi Malachi Yahya ben Yahmin,
Thank you for your comment. I have tried to answer your inquiries below:
1) The Ethiopians today…
I took a quick look at the Y-DNA haplogroups in the various Ethiopian populations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_Sub-Saharan_Africa). They generally fall into three groups E1b1b (45-62%), J (4-33%) and A (10-17%) The numbers vary depending on which tribe you are looking at. E1b1b as this article states is Esau, Group A most certainly is hamitic (maybe Kush), and J occurs commonly among the Arabs, Ashkenazi and a section of Europe. This data would suggest that the Ethiopians are more Esau than Cush based on paternal lineage. Also, most Ethiopians will usually confirm that they are mixed with Arabs and Italians.
2) I doubt that Alexander was Edomite
In the article, I stated that Alexander claimed descent from Temani (grandson of Esau in Genesis 36:15). Here is an article (http://www.livius.org/articles/person/alexander-the-great/alexander-3.1-ancestors/) that makes the same claim and suggests that the original source was book eight of the “Histories” by the Greek researcher Herodotus of Halicarnassus.
I will check out the links to your titles and communicate with you afterwards.
Once again, thank you for visiting my blog and for leaving comments.
Many thanks for taking the time to reply to my quibbles.
Re the Ethiopians, I checked out the link you provided. It is most interesting that not even the Ethiopian Jews are E1b1a. They too are E1b1b (50%)! The history (legend?) says that the Ethiopian Jews descend from Dan, one of the 12 tribes. So there is a disconnect there.
This raises the larger question how reliable is DNA analysis. I do not doubt DNA science per se, just the statistical aspect of it that must underlie the taxonomic groupings when applied to whole populations based on sometimes tiny samples.
Nevertheless, I think it is true that the E1b1a group are Hebrew Israelite. (To be more precise, the E1b1a group *includes* Hebrew Israelite seedlines.) I think it is likely that E1b1b is Edomite, as you assert. (But I seem to recall that Dr. Yehoshua ben Yisrael has claimed that E1b1b is Hamitic.) Under what taxonomic grouping do the Ishmaelites fall?
In any sane taxonomy, the Y-DNA haplogroups for Israel, Esau and Ishmael should parallel the Scriptural account tying all three back to Abraham. I am not sure that that is the case. Therefore, the overall taxonomy is suspect.
The idea that DNA “does not lie” may be true for paternity tests involving individuals. But when we are dealing with *population* genetics, it is by no means clear what ought to be the classification (taxonomic) scheme to adopt. Pre-conceptions may influence the scheme adopted. The same applies to language taxonomies, under which the classification, “Niger-Congo”, for example, hides the close connection between Bantu languages and Aramaic.
In scriptural terms, there ought to be three paternal lines — those of Ham, Shem, and Japheth. But this applies only to the sons of Noah. There are fourth and more paternal lines that would descend from nephilim (fallen angel) seed; Genesis 6:2, Jude 1:6, Enoch 6. Although the Flood destroyed all the nephilim seed on the earth at the time, it was prophesied that they would return after the Flood; Enoch 106:19: “…And after that there shall be still more unrighteousness than that which was first consummated on the earth….”. This becomes a confounding factor in any taxonomic scheme adopted for Y-DNA haplogroup classification.
This seems to apply to the case of Alexander. Is he of the line of Esau, going back to Abraham, or is he of nephilim seed? I am aware of claims that he was descended from Zeus; see here. If that legend is true, then his Y-DNA will not be that of Esau. This is a quibble, as I said, and I thank you for taking the time to remind me of the sources you quoted in your article.
To the extent that nephilim seed has infiltrated the human genome, the (Y-DNA) taxonomy itself would be confounded, yielding confusion. Even so, the Most High has kept His Chosen — the heirloom seed, as it were — relatively uncorrupted. That is what we see with the seed classified as E1b1a, e.g. I see the Bamileke sample was 100% E1bia! I am guided that they are of the tribe of Judah, hear or forebear. But outside of such a population, Y-DNA classification based on population genetics may throw an incorrect picture.
More specifically, there will be some populations that are Israelite in large part, but the taxonomic scheme would miss it altogether. For example, I am reliably guided that the native Fijians are Israelite of the seed, of the tribe of Reuben; but the analysis shown here would miss it entirely, if we are now on the hunt for E1b1a.
There are two caveats pertaining to any reliance being placed upon Y-DNA population genetic analyses. One is that of Paul; Titus 3:9. The other is that of Ezra 2:63 and Nehemiah 7:65.
But this is not to discourage you from your excellent work and analysis. It certainly has confirmed what we may already reliably infer from Scripture about the Negro of the West and the Bantu of Africa: that we are indeed seedline Israelites. (Those sojourning amongst us who are not of the literal seed nevertheless may belong to the House of Israel; Isaiah 56:6-7, Ezekiel 47:22.) But the DNA analysis does not seem to reveal much about our brethren scattered further afield, such as native Fijians, native Hawaiians, native Filipinos, some (not all) native Americans, Scots-Irish hillbillies, etc. For those it seems we need direct spiritual guidance.
Malachi Yahya ben Yahmin
Thank you for your comments. You are correct, the only way to know the Y-DNA for certain is if someone can miraculously produce the authentic bones of one of the patriarchs. I would also be cautious about legends, for instance, there is one that says that Dan went beyond the Dan-ube and settled in a place that they named Dan-mark (Denmark). So who do we believe? The Danes or the Ethiopians, Personally, I doubt either one of them is Dan. Interestingly, there is a Torah keeping West African tribe in Ivory Coast called Dan (also called Gio and Yakuba). You can see some info on them here https://www.bramkrol.com/gemeentegroei/artikelen/300-the-tribe-of-dan-in-west-africa. The Ivorian Dan is related to the Nande (100% E1b1a, 0% E1b1b) and Mandinka (79% E1b1a, 8% E1b1b).
With the E1b1b, the highest incidence is in the horn and North Africa fregions ollowed by Mediterannean Europe. Based on your suggestion, that would make the Arabs in Norh Africa Israelites. They do not claim so, neither do they have history or culture that suggests such.
Dr. Yehoshua ben Ephraim also lists E1b1b as Esau not Ham. See his chart at: https://africanpeopleoflove.wordpress.com/2015/12/20/for-the-un-learned/.
Alexander’s claim to be a descendant of Zeus is well known, What may not be well known is that some claim that Zeus is actually Esau himself. I have no proof of this, but this would make sense when you now look at the link I sent earlier that names Temenos (Temani) as the lineage through which Alexander relates to Zeus.
The nephilim gene is believed to come into Esau’s lineage through his marriage to the Horites of Canaan. Hence his seed would have the E1b1b from Esau and extra (alien) genes acquired through the maternal lineage offsprings of the nephilim. This would mean that the E1b1b itself is not the nephilim Y-DNA gene.That DNA must be another group.
I am not sure how you concluded that the Native fijians are Reuben. As far as I understand scriptures, the 10 tribes moved to the same general location (likely Africa) while the kingdom of Judah (Judah and Benjamin) is scattered to the four corners through slavery. If there are Israelites in Fiji, I would expect that the are Judah, not Reuben. Naturally, there will be Israelites from different tribes who might have emigrated to various locations in this modern era.
Regarding genealogy, I think Titus 3:9 was referring to contentions and disputes on lineages. I don’t think I nor Dr. Yehoshua ben Ephraim are doing that. I think the Ezra (an entire chapter on genealogy) and Nehemiah 7:64-65 passages were basically asking those who wanted to be priests to prove their descent from the priesthood which they couldn’t. The latter two Scriptures are therefore encouraging research on genealogy and proper record keeping.
As you noted, there have always been, and there will always be strangers joined to Israel. They will have a different DNA, but will be part of the congregation. I have stated in the article that salvation is possible even if you are Esau. As long as you are grafted into Israel, you are one with the nation. However, I have not seen anything to suggest that the Scots or Irish are Israelites (see http://machpelahcave.website/caucasian-canaanites/).
I hope this helps.
I am not sure that any “Nephilim lines” would be paternal. Noah was genetically pure. So his yDNA passed to his sons would also be pure. Scripture does not mention a second incursion of “fallen ones” post flood. So I think the best assumption would be that the wives of Noah’s sons carried corrupted DNA? These would be changes passed from grandfather to daughter to child due to recombinations of the copied x chromosome. I think. Maybe also, this explains why so much emphasis is placed on the mothers of Esau’s children. Sarah and Rebekkah and Leah and Rachel are part of the story of the origin of the Hebrews, but Esau’s wives are listed in the genealogy lists. This is unusual. Also, Messiah is prophesied in Genesis as “the seed” of the woman. That is highly unusual as well. It is Mar’yam’s genealogy listed in the book of Luke as it differs from Joseph’s in the book of Matthew. Could this be the explanation?
Further to my last, I have two additional points.
1) I am now guided that E1b1b is Hebrew ISRAELITE! Northern tribe (Ephraim etc.). E1b1a is Southern tribe.
This means that there are now three competing hypotheses: a) That E1b1b is Esau (your hypothesis); b) that E1b1b is Ham (Dr. Yehoshua ben Yisrael’s), and c) That E1b1b is Israelite of the northern tribes.
To sort these out, we may need a taxonomy with more sub-clades (e.g. to distinguish the 12 tribes from each other).
In any case, to sort out the three hypotheses, one approach is to look for debunking evidence, which necessarily must come from outside population genetics per se. If we insist on the legend pertaining to the Falasha Jew of Ethiopia, then Yeshosua ben Yisrael’s Ham hypothesis is debunked, as is your Esau hypothesis. I accept the Falasha Jew history (tribe of Dan etc.), therefore go with what in any case I’m guided—hear or forebear– namely that E1b1b ALSO is Israelite, but of a different branch from E1b1a.
This does not mean that all your analysis need be thrown out, just re-interpreted. One implication is that there is more Israelite seedline in Europe than some of us would care to admit. It means for example, that under the skin, Hitler was actually one of us!!! As we might say in the vernacular, HELLO??!!??!!
2) There is also a minor point regarding the Bamileke. First, this tribal is Hebrew/Aramaic; it translates immediately as “sons of the king” (Ba = sons of + mileke ← Malik ← Malachi = king or messenger in various Hebrew languages).
I am indeed guided that the Bamileke are of the royal house of David. Based on the (albeit small) sample wherein 100% were E1b1a, clearly they (the women!) have jealously guarded the male seedline down through the centuries; for such a result, the Bamileke women would not have mated outside the tribe very much.
It would be interesting to find out whether this observation could be corroborated by what is known regarding Bamileke mating practices.
Malachi Yahya ben Yahmin
Dear Malachi Yahya ben Yahmin,
Firstly, Dr Yehosha ben Ephraim identifies E1b1b as Esau, not Ham.
Secondly, the highest incidents of E1b1b is among Arabs of North Africa (Mediterranean) and the horn of Africa followed by the Mediterranean Europe. These Arabs don’t claim Israelite status. They are genetically Greco-Roman. I (as well as others) identified E1b1b as the DNA of Rome. If as you say they were Israelites, then it would mean that Israelites invaded Israel in 70 AD and burnt their own Temple. I do not think that is so because Dan 9:26 describes the temple being destroyed by the people of the prince to come (not the Israelites).
Regarding the Bamileke, they are not the only tribe that has 100% E1b1a, the Nandes also have 100% and multiple tribes have over 90% prevalence.
It is worthwhile to note that Maacah; Davids wife and mother of Absalom was not even Israelite, so I would not expect his daughters to be be very strict in their choice of mates. Furthermore, If Solomon’s reproductive life is anything to go by, I think David’s line probably didn’t only marry Judeans. I agree however that the Bamileke women obviously didn’t marry strangers. That would be something I expect the Levites to do, but I presently can’t say which tribe the Bamileke comes from.
A full taxonomy would be great, but I’m guessing it would be a purely theoretical exercise with very little proof.
The Aramean-Syriac Semitic people have never been black nor negroe.
The person named Laban, labhan; (Laban, possibly connected with the root meaning “to be white,” from which in Hebrew the adjective meaning “white” has just this form) is first introduced to the reader of Genesis in the story of the wooing of Rebekah (Genesis 24).
And Laban said to him, Surely THOU ART MY BONE AND MY FLESH. And he abode with him the space of a month
Who was Laban speaking to? JACOB/Israel! Looks like they had the same milky white flesh.
ו וּגְוִיָּתוֹ כְתַרְשִׁישׁ, וּפָנָיו כְּמַרְאֵה בָרָק וְעֵינָיו כְּלַפִּידֵי אֵשׁ, וּזְרֹעֹתָיו וּמַרְגְּלֹתָיו, כְּעֵין נְחֹשֶׁת קָלָל; וְקוֹל דְּבָרָיו, כְּקוֹל הָמוֹן.
And his face is like a SCARLET, and his FACE is like a MIRROR OF LIGHTNING, and his eyes are like fire, and his horns and his feet, like the flesh of a beast; And his words, like the voice of the crowd
6 his body also was like the BERYL, and his FACE as the APPEARANCE OF LIGHTNING, and his eyes as torches of fire, and his ARMS and his FEET like in colour to BURNISHED BRASS, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.
Colors of Beryl: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eakiWQjhe08/WtSxmEul7iI/AAAAAAAAPps/OJnqhZ_Y4OgxjqRzPPYfMr-UJhlcgFFrACLcBGAs/s1600/The%2BDifferent%2BBeryl%2BVarieties%2Bwith%2BPhotos.jpg
Appearance of Lightning: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0d/6b/34/0d6b34dbee41d7f42c0da4e31d902461.jpg
Burnished Brass: https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-39a4af43eba44e4108e66aa269e9665e-c
7Her NAZARITES were purer than snow, THEY WERE WHITER THAN MILK, they were more RUDDY in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire: 8Their VISAGE IS BLACKER than a COAL; THEY ARE NOT KNOWN IN THE STREETS: THEIR SKIN CLEAVETH TO THEIR BONES; IT IS WITHERED, IT IS BECOME LIKE A STICK.
If y’all say this is Solomon speaking… Please read again! Why would King Solomon be ‘KISSING A MAN FOR’? This is clearly a Shulamite woman speaking…
Song of Solomon 1:1-6
1 The song of songs, which is Solomon’s. 2 LET HIM KISS ME with the kisses of HIS MOUTH: for thy love is better than wine. 3 Because of the savour of thy good ointments thy name is as ointment poured forth, therefore do the virgins love thee. 4 Draw me, we will run after thee: the king hath brought me into HIS CHAMBERS: we will be glad and rejoice in thee, we will remember thy love more than wine: the upright love thee. 5 I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. 6 Look not upon me, because I am black, BECAUSE THE SUN HATH LOOKED UPON ME: MY MOTHER’S CHILDREN WERE ANGRY WITH ME; THEY MADE ME THE KEEPER OF THE VINEYARDS; BUT MINE OWN VINEYARD HAVE I NOT KEPT.
Additions to Esther 15:5
5And she was || ruddy through the perfection of her beauty, and her countenance was cheerful and very amiable: but her heart was in anguish for fear.
|| OR, rose coloured. https://www.google.com/search?q=rose+colored&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiGrJ2R_93cAhUMvFMKHcBcBS0Q_AUICygC&biw=1366&bih=662
No man shall buy you DOES NOT MEAN no man shall redeem you! It is as it is written, “No man shall buy you”. EVERYONE BOUGHT Negroe slaves!
68 And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and NO MAN SHALL BUY YOU.
READ Jeremiah 44, the Jews were brought back into the land of EYGPT(NOT AMERICA OR WEST AFRICA)!
Being brought back to EGYPT ON SHIPS! https://mauricioeretzisrael.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/filisteos-2.jpg
6And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now your hand into your bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was as leprous as snow.
7And he said, Put your hand into your bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and took it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh.
the priest must examine it. If the hair in the spot has turned white and the spot appears to be deeper than the skin, it is a disease that has broken out in the burn. The priest must pronounce him unclean; it is a diseased infection.
As the cloud lifted from above the Tent, suddenly Miriam became leprous, white as snow. Aaron turned toward her, saw that she was leprous,
2 Kings 5:27
Therefore, the leprosy of Naaman will cling to you and your descendants forever!” And as Gehazi left his presence, he was leprous–as white as snow.
Leprosy: a contagious disease that affects the skin, mucous membranes, and nerves, causing discoloration and lumps on the skin and, in severe cases, disfigurement and deformities. Leprosy is now mainly confined to tropical Africa and Asia.
Vitiligo: a condition in which the pigment is lost from areas of the skin, causing whitish patches, often with no clear cause.
A caucasoid man with leprous
Negroid man with leprous https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Leprosy_deformities_hands.jpg/220px-Leprosy_deformities_hands.jpg
Negroid man with vitiligo; Not leprous
ל עוֹרִי, שָׁחַר מֵעָלָי; וְעַצְמִי-חָרָה, מִנִּי-חֹרֶב. translates to…
My hair is black; And myself – a cave, from me – Kharrib.
A proper translation to English reads…
30 My skin is black, and falleth from me, and my bones are burned with heat.
So, your telling me, that black people skin falleth from them? Are they dying or something???
ב אָבְלָה יְהוּדָה, וּשְׁעָרֶיהָ אֻמְלְלוּ קָדְרוּ לָאָרֶץ; וְצִוְחַת יְרוּשָׁלִַם, עָלָתָה. translates to…
2 In the mourning of Yahudah, and the gates of Amulu encamped to the land; And the yellowness of Yerushalayim, a burnt offering.
A proper translation to English reads…
2 Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish, THEY BOW DOWN IN BLACK UNTO THE GROUND; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up.
Can’t even keep this commandment…
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any GRAVEN IMAGE, or ANY LIKENESS of ANY THING that is IN HEAVEN above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth
If you racist fake israelites are still reading, I’m gonna leave it with this FINAL CUT! King Solomon was NOT NO ALBINO!
Song of Solomon 5:10-16
10 MY BELOVED IS WHITE AND RUDDY, the chiefest among ten thousand.
11 His head is as the most fine gold, his locks are bushy, and black as a raven.
12 His eyes are as the eyes of doves by the rivers of waters, washed with milk, and fitly set.
13 His cheeks are as a bed of spices, as sweet flowers: his lips like lilies, dropping sweet smelling myrrh.
14 His hands are as gold rings set with the beryl: his belly is as bright ivory overlaid with sapphires.
15 His legs are as pillars of marble, set upon sockets of fine gold: his countenance is as Lebanon, excellent as the cedars.
16 His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.
Thanks for reading my blog and leaving a comment. Your comments indicate that you are familiar with the Hebrew Israelites movement. It also indicates that you have given this topic a great deal of thought and study, that is good.
First i’ll respond on the Laban name. Yes, Laban means white, If you’ve ever been to Africa, you will understand that albinos are commonly called white or white man all across the continent. It doesn’t make albinos caucasians does it?
His body also [was] like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in COLOUR to POLISHED BRASS, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude. (Dan 10:6)
is brown/copper colored, not white.
On the surface, that passage seems to contradict itself – however if you read carefully, you realize that verse 7 is talking about polishing and purifying. So, whiter than milk is talking about the purity of newness (as in new milk) Hence the polishing as of Sapphire. This same whiteness is referred to in Isa 1:18 “…though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. (Isa 1:18)”. It doesn’t mean your sin will turn to white does it?
Ruddy is a redish brown color, not white color. A ruddy cow or horse is brownish, not white.
Lam 4:8 specifically mentions face (visage) being black, skin cleaving to body and withered (through malnutrition and dehydration), like a stick (a common description of skin that has lost elasticity from dehydration).
Job also describes himself in similar manner in Job 30:30 – My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat (KJV). I don’t know where you got the falling skin from.
The passage says that there you shall be SOLD unto your enemies. Unless someone is buying, there is no selling. Therefor the no man shall buy must be referring to the redemption or buy-back rule practiced among the Israelites. If you use a concordance, the word used here also means redeemed.
Moses hand became leprous like snow. The Septuagint makes it evident that it is the color (complexion) at play here and if you read Numbers 12:10, it describes Miriam becoming leprous, WHITE as snow, (just like Moses’s hand). Obviously, biblical leprosy is not the same as what we call leprosy (Hansen’s disease) today. This is obvious since Hansen’s disease causes hair loss, not the biblical loss of melanin in the hair (Lev 13:10). Also, it is doubtful that a person whose ENTIRE body is totally covered by hansen’s disease would survive let alone be pronounced clean by the priest (Lev 13:13).
Modern leprosy (hansen’s disease) is infective and not genetic, hence Gehazi’s or Joab’s (2 Sam 3:29) lineages could not have had hansen’s. Vitiligo on the other hand can be hereditary and some vitiligo patches do go away by themselves hence the clean and unclean descriptions in Leviticus.
Modern Hansen’s leads to limb loss due to loss of sensation resulting in injuries. Interestingly, the scripture never mentions incapacitation in any leper. In fact, Naaman was the head of the Syrian army. That doesn’t sound like a man who has a disease that could cut off his limbs does it? Let alone someone who would be at the battlefront.
Obvously, biblical leprosy is what we call vitiligo today. It exhibits all the skin features of leprosy described in Scriptures. Even your definition of Vitiligo sounds like biblical leprosy.
I’m not sure what Exodus 20:4 has to do with this article.
Songs of Solomon 5:10
The word for white here describes ‘dazzling, glowing, clear, bright’ (Strong’s H6703 – tsach) not necessarily skin color. It is impossible to be white color and ruddy (reddish brown) at the same time.
The primary physical difference between a Negro and a Caucasian is the melanin depletion in the latter. So technically, you can call the Caucasian race a colony of clean lepers.
I hope these clarifies things.
Genesis 36:27 lists Akan as a descendant of Esau. There is actually a tribe in West Africa that is called Akan.
There are all kinds of people in Africa including some that are over 40% genetically Europeans. Some population pockets in West Africa have very high E1b1b DNA as well. Even in the days of Kings Saul and Solomon, there were Edomites in Israel (1 Sam 22:9, 1 Kgs 11:1).
A brother released a video on youtube about 2 weeks ago revealing some truths the Europeans buried about Africa during the colonial days and thereafter. If you watch it, it will explain a lot about the continent and the Hebrew E1b1a DNA. Link below:
Thank you for replying to my comment. I have watched the video that you shared before and I am in agreement with the content. The brother did an incredibly excellent job at presenting well researched information in a clear way – similar to how you have done in your articles.
Through the leading of the Ruach last year, I was led to the revelation that E1b1a is Hebrew Israelite and E1b1b Hebrew Eadomite. Just as it is written, we will indeed and always be lead into all truth.
i have watched several of his videos where he refutres the widely know locations of Israel (Jerusalm) saying its in Southern Africa.
I do not agree fo the very reason that the SA is not as close to Egypt as the scriotures show us. Besides, there are several locations which fo by bible names in West Africa, Including JUDAH.
So not convicing enough.
It is fair to have a different opinion. like most viewpoints, there are arguments that can back up or refute it. I once heard someone say that if the Israelites filed out in columns of 12 with their families and cattle etc, they would span the entire distance from Egypt to the known land of Israel. Yet the scriptures say such a large company got lost for 40 years in such a ‘tiny’ geographical area. That is a miracle in itself.
If you also look at really old maps of what we know as Africa today, you can see locations with names that are only seen in some of the Apocryphal books. It makes one wonder.
I wasn’t sure if I should my precious time to respond to this laughable content without any evidence or proof or else. Just another confused Black American desperately trying to find his own identity and as a typical American without any culture and no knowledge of his own history, you’re now trying to determine where other people come from based on the science of the Caucasian.
First off you must show me where it says in the scripture that you will know who the Israelites are based on DNA ancestry companies that are run by Caucasian jews. So, this whole E1b1a nonesense has to stop. You guys are completely on the wrong path. Also, it is a known fact that the Jews/Israelites used to travel. The fact that African American and Lations, Carribbean people have all mostly E1b1a is due to being all from West Africa for the most part. Of course you’ll share the same one. You also don’t know how far it dates back! The same scientist that telling you’re about Evolution and Big Bang theory are the ones that backing your argument? I don’t want to dwell on the genealogy bullshit, because it is completely flawed and nowhere in the scriptures does it say anything about that even remotely, and that’s what you should go by. Also, Barack Obama’s real father is American, that goes out the window too. The Romans and even the Italians today are mostly R1b, stick to the facts. You have that a lot in Cameroon, but not in Eritrea or Ehtiopia one bit. But again I don’t want to waste too much time writing about the Caucasian scientists.
To say we’re Edomite, will be easily negated. For once, Eritreans/Ethiopians are the MOST hairless people there are. I was always asked if I was shaving my legs. Both my Grandfathers didn’t have a single hair on their chest, arms or legs. The map you showed does not show the hairyness of the different people at all. Again, I live in a country full of my people, but also West Africans, Central, Eastern, Southern and Jamaicans and I knew some Black Americans also. Women and men. And none of all is really hairy. But the people from the Horn are the most hairless, I’ve met plenty of girls from Nigeria, Ghana that were not hairy, but I could see a bit of hair on the arms on a couple. I could see the most in Central, Cameroon people. But Never could I see any hair on an Eritrean/Ethiopian woman and the men have very very few that are a hairer. And myself and no one in my family is remotely hairy, I didn’t have to shave until 24. You will rarely find any men with chest hair. These are facts,not just pulling up some charts. To say the Beta Israel are convertites, when THEY ARE THE ONES that are translating the torah for the Ashkenazi jews. Were are the Americans that can do that? They kept the Torah for centuries, the oldest Bible is also to be found in Ethiopia.
Now, let’s talk about the horn of Africa, I will focus on Eritrea and Ethiopia, the Shemitc speakers. First off, you’ll find every shade of brown, from light skinned to very dark. You even have siblings that have serious differences in colour. When you talk about Italians, do you even know when they came?? 1896. And they mixed maybe with 0.1% of the population, at the most. Last time I checked Black Americans have a quite a large chunk of European DNA, much more than the people from the horn. They usually come from the Middle East(that used to be Africa back then) and Eastern Africa. Back to the Italians, they barely mixed and every Eritrean can go back about 8-10 Generations. I on my side have no Julianos, and in my entire Family, about 100 different families, there is only 1 who has an Italian Grandfather. So, stop saying we’re mixed with Italians, they weren’t even 50 years there, and barely intermixed. Also if the people in the horn of Africa were mixed as you say, they would look like people in Morocco or Algeria today, and they don’t. Back then, if they taking over completely in order to change your whole ancestry they would have to kill all the men and rape all the women. The whole point is to eradicate their history! You wouldn’t know any of your history, because the women wouldn’t pass it on, it’s with the men, but they had to be killed. That’s how you get rid of people, that’s the meaning of Arab. That means “Mixed one”, someone who doesn’t know his origins. Us in the horn, are not Arabs. The people in North Africa and today’s middle east are.
I’m talking facts here, not using some stupid charts that have no validity, unless you need the Caucasian to make your case. But that’s how it goes with you Pro Blacks, if the Caucasian says something that doesn’t suit you, it’s “ah who trust the Caucasians, of course they’re gonna lie” but if does suit you” well here is the evidence, this company, this scientist says…”. Also the Portugese and the Turks both only made it to the port of Eritrea, and not any further, again no intermixing. This is a very common misconception ,even by some Ge’ez speakers themselves. The Romans never made it to the horn, and the Greeks did some business, again there was lot of business going on, but people didn’t intermix to that degree. Again, in our culture, word is being passed on. By the way do you know where your ancestors where 400-2000 years ago? Can you do that for certain? It is said that we used to come from Mesopotamia before Alexander the Great came. So we can therefore say that we haven’t ever been occupied by another power for more than 50 years, and that one was the Italians that came in 1896. There is plenty of evidence for jewish elements in Aksum. It is said that that they came through the Nile Valley(Quirin,2010,9.23), even the Israelite traveller Eldad Ha-danithat could name ALL of his ancestors up to Dan, said that his and 3 other tribes were dwelling in the Land of Punt. The original inhabitants then were Kushites. He said they were always in war with the Etiopians. This continues to this day, Eritrea had a 30 year war from 1961-1991 with the Ethiopian goverment. We know for a fact that the area he was talking about is in today’s Eritrea and northern Ethiopia, where today the Ge’ez speakers dwell, in the high lands. Even the Yoruba in Nigeria were describing that route, from where they came from. Many different Israelite tribes that migrated into Yemen and Ehtiopia named the the towns that they lived in “Gaza”, which means “emigrants”. In Tigrinya today it means “Guest”.
Here from the Asiatic Journal, this is historical evidence, that is based on cultural, historical, linguistic evidence. Something you can’t refute, not some 23and me DNA test.
“For the Israelites of Abyssinia do not eat the things forbidden by Moses, and the Abyssinians who are now Christians, but many of whom probably professed formerly the Jwish religion, observe almost the same rule.( We do not eat pork, shell fish etc. All boys must be circumcised, which is Jewish tradition not a Christian) Considering the vast number of the viands from which the Abyssinians abstain, and recollecting that they were converted to Christianity so early as the fourth century, there can be little room for doubt that settlement of the Jews in Abyssinia must have preceded by many centuries the introduction of the Christian religion into that country.
The term Gaza belongs, therefore, to several places on the southern coat of Abyssinia. The term resembles the word Gyz the name given by the Abyssinians to their country and written language, and which signifies “emigration”: we shall soon see that Abyssinia received this name from the Syro-Jews, who peopled part of it in the time of Alexander the Great, and who called themselves in the singular Gyz, to denote that they had left their native country.
The following fact makes it still more probable that this people, whose manners and traditions offer so many traits of characteristics of the ancient Hebrews”
So, you have to understand all of this happened way before all of your shit that you wrote, and especially the fact that no Romans ever came to Eritrea/Ethiopia. Just the Italians in 1896 as I mentioned earlier who barely intermixed. We all know because we can go back up to 10-20 generations. Again, can you? Or do you just have a colourful chart?
“The historical records of the Greeks have also made us aware of the fact that a wave of Israelites from Syria also immigrated to the land of Abyssinia during the time of Alexander the Great. The many waves of Israelites arriving in Africa from Syria, and the historical documentation of such events by people other than the Yoruba themselves, provides further credence that the Yoruba and other Israelites did indeed come from the Syria/Palestine area before settling in African lands.”
“On the other hand, we know from Philostorgius that , in the time of Alexander the Great, a Syro-Jewish colony settled in Abyssinia , and the inhabitants assert that, besides the Canaanites, their conquerors the Jews also sent a colony into their country. We know that is, in fact, inhabited by a vast number of Israelites, who were at one time united in a national body, ruled by monarchs of their own religion/ We know, besider, that about the year 150 B.C. the Jews called the Greeks Colobes, or”the mutilitated” were then very numerous in Abyssinia.”
Also, during the time of Mordecai and the Persian empire a letter was written that addressed, among many peoples, all the Jews of the 127 Persian provinces. These provinces included Kush and India, which provides Biblical support for the fact that Israelites lived in the lands of Kush and also in India, at least as far back as the 5th century BC.
So I’m not going to go back and forth, I spent way too much time writing this. Just don’t be ignorant. It is historically know, and also told by Eldad Ha-Dani, that the tribe of Judah(and Benjamin as well I believe) went westward. So I’m not denying that there are West African/ Black American/Caribbean Israelites. But according to Eldad and the Yoruba, the tribe of Judah split up from the rest and from the children of Moses. The tribes that were still in East, travelled to different parts of the world or stayed there. That’s why you’ll find East African skulls in Europe before the Caucasians took over .
So the evidence is in the language, Tigrinya and Hebrew have many similarities. And if someone would have wiped out the men, again the culture, language etc. wouldn’t have survived, and there is no historical evidence that this ever happened.
Couple of examples of the similarites of Tigrinya and Hebrew:
1.Isak mean laughter in the old testament.
In Tigrinya: Isak= Isahak aleko, Sahak: I’m laughing, laughing.
2. Ishmael is Abrahams first son.
Ishmael means= the Lord has heard their affliction.
In Tigrinya: Ishmael= I shma El: God he heard.
3. zom= Fasting in both Tigrinya and Hebrew
4. The word/place Yerushalayim—more specifically, the Temple Mount—was the very spot where Abraham almost sacrificed his son Isaac. Look in the narrative there and you’ll see that after he was told by an angel of G‑d not to sacrifice his beloved son, it reads:
Bible vers: Genesis 22:14: And so Abraham named that place “God will see,” as it is said to this day, “On the mountain, God will be seen.”
The word Yerusalem/Jerusalem in Tigringa= ye rui Salem: I am seeing peace.
5. In Tigrinya Ba’al is the name of a pagan God
Just a couple of examples.
Also, let’s be real now, anytime I’ve seen paintings from that time of the Israelites, they never looked West African, just not. They always looked like the people in Eritrea/Ethiopia. They never had very broad noses and kinky hair. And not everyone does in West Africa, but the people in the horn never have straight hair. All Eritreans/Ethiopians have one of these 3, either Afros, Curly, Wavy hair. Mostly Afros and Curly. Even the garment they wearing looks like ours.
Again these were made by impartial people or by Israelites themselves during their time. But again, there was a split and some left to West Africa where they also intermixed and adapted also to the conditions.
The evidence is in the culture. Again, no one else follows the Old testament as we do. Our women are supposed to dress conservatively with white dresses to their ankles, we don’t eat the forbidden things, Saturday is our day of rest not Sunday, all boys are circumcised. We clean our animals before we eat them like no other. Someone will always come with water to wash everyone’s hand before you eat, that is a must.
As I said, I don’t intend to reply, just some FACTS, and also dismantling many of the lies that you were telling about the people of the horn. No Romans were ever there, no Edomite bloodline. But Israelite. Historical facts, linguistic, cultural similarities and so on.
And please leave me alone with your beloved Caucasian charts and misinterpreation. And please stop saying that the Israelites were all dark black. “My skin is BLACK upon me, and my bones are burned with heat. – Job 30:30 “ That’s your proof? One line? Really how about all the real paintings of the Hebrews on the wall in Egypt? How about them being described as tawny or ruddy. Even in the bible or historically. “Our skin was BLACK like an oven because of the terrible famine. – Lamentations 5:10 “ This proves that their skin tone must have darkened. Why would they say “because of the terrible famine”. That’s why they became darker, you’re making my point.
Anyway, you better get your historical facts right, and even your DNA trash evidence, which shows that the people in the horn don’t even have the main haplogroup at all, r1b, but you do find it in Central. You also believe that if you go back that you will stop exactly at Jacob and Esau, you really believe that a DNA test will determine your bloodline and stop at Jacob and Esau, as if they were the first humans. And E1b1a is present in so many different tribes in West Africa that have nothing to do with each other and came from different places. The Hebrew tribes in Nigeria do not say they come from the same places like all other tribes, but they both have E1b1a.
Please use your time to create a culture instead. Again, I will not spend any time again to write anything on here, neither to visit the website. Hopefully people can read it and have a better understanding, because I don’t like when people speak their truth. It’s about the truth.
Thank you for your very detailed comment.I will not do a point by point response to your comments, but I will summarize a few things that jumped at me from your writing.
1). I am not a believer in the 12 tribes chart as you implied. I believe that the Northern kingdom was exiled and currently resides mainly in Africa and that the Southern kingdom (Judah) was scattered through out the rest of the world predominantly through slavery.
2). I am not sure what your argument about genetics is. Are you disputing the science behind it, or just my interpretation of it. Regarding my interpretation, The Y-DNA haplogroup of Ethiopians (including Amharas)falls mainly in E1b1b and J groups, just like the Ashkenazis. That, and the fact that there is a significant percentage of the population that belongs in the groups A and T indicates a mixed population. You can compare that to say the Igbos or Yorubas who are almost entirely one population E1b1a (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_Sub-Saharan_Africa).
Nobody has the remains of Abraham so we can’t confirm DNA. Our discussions are basically based on the DNA of people identified as Israelites.
If you believe the Ashkenazi are the Biblical Israelites, then by all means stick to your Y-DNA group J and E1b1b classification. Under that identity, then Ethiopians are Jewish. If however you believe the slaves shipped to the New world were taken from the Kingdom of Judah in Africa (seen in some 18th century maps), then you will have a differing opinion. I have shown a lot of genetic data to back my claims. If you don’t trust any of the science however, then there’s nothing to discuss.
3). Regarding hairiness, I have met Eritreans and Ethiopians who are quite hairy, so I don’t think your argument there is valid. I showed you a global map in the article.
4). You have narrated quite a lot of history. Many of that doesn’t correlate with Biblical History. You said a lot about Alexander the great. First, the Northern kingdom left Assyria over three centuries before Alexander and the Southern kingdom was still in Judea long after he died. Yes, there were some remnants left behind, but the bulk left Assyria. The scriptures mention the Assyrians and Babylonians populating the land with heathen nations when they led the Israelites away captives. So there is where you have the population that has not been invaded for no longer than 50 years. Biblical Israelites were invaded repeatedly for extended periods of time. You also mention Gaza, that was first an Egyptian, then a Philistine city. There is a reason why the region was called Palestine before it became Israel in 1948. It is worth noting that Judeans where not the only Israelites in the Bible, there were 10 other tribes.
5). You have accused me of leaning towards Caucasian teachings. The entire history you narrated are are modern history taught by Europeans.
6). Use of linguistics to identify people is a common European approach to anthropologic studies. However we all know about related languages and even what we call Hebrew today is predominantly Yiddish. None of us really knows what ancient Hebrew looks or sounds like. We only take the Ashkenazi’s word for it. They say they are the Jews, so their language must be authentic Hebrew.
7). Many of the customs you described are also practiced by non-israelite Hebrews (Including Edomites) and non-Jewish Christians. However, I am not an expert on your culture, so I will not dispute your claim about your culture.
Ok, I think that is all I have to say at the moment.
1) I said it myself, even according to Eldad Ha-Dani who you completely ignoring, he said that the southern kingdom was the one that went westward and from there they were mostly going through slavery. So I don’t disagree with that. He also said that they were dwelling Abyssinia, many also went further South East AFrica. These are the tribes of Dan,Nafthali, Gad and Asher that were dwelling there. And Eldad could give account of all his ancestors dating back to Dan. He said that the tribe of Judah went to West Africa, and most likely started intermixing with the Pygmes that were already there, hence the look. Because again, the description and the paintings are much more Eastern African looking, than Western. There is no denying, because you have all skin colours in the horn, from light brown to very dark, just as in West Africa. We have people with curly and Afro hair, never ever does it say in the scriptures or anywhere else that their hair was kinky ,it’s wooly. How does wool feel like?
2) The genetic argument makes no sense, really it just doesn’t. First of all you would have to believe everything that those DNA companies say. So your entire argument is based on that. your entire argument is based on genetics. How can you say that those paternal groups stop exactly where you’d like them stop, to determine where everything started? Where does your trust come from, that those people are capable of determining that? For your sake though, I will still refer to the scientific part. First of all, AShkenazi jews have the J2 group not the J1, and not as much as they claim. Also, if the black people are their progenitors, then all paternal haplogroups must be found in them, and cannot stem from Caucasians. If the white people come from black, then it must have all been there before! How come the r1b haplogroup is so present in Cameroon? How come the Dinka tribe, the real descendants of Ham, are also mostly E1b1b? They are the darkest race, so they must have also White in them? How can they be the Edomites, when everything else points to them being the descendants of the Kemet people? Same thing goes for the Masaai. Mostly E1b1b,so how does that work? They are also the descendants of Ham, the Kemet people. ANyone that is basing an argument on Genetics, is building a house on sand. It’s not adding up in no way. So all these are also Edomites according to you? How about the Khosians, one of the oldest tribes? They have E1b1b in them also, and they have almost never intermixed, and are by the way the progenitor of the Asians. I also never disputed that the tribe of Judah existed in West Africa and some were put into slavery, or went to Europe. But if you really think that everyone that is E1b1a is actually Israelite, then you’re ignoring all the other facts. As I said, the Hebrew culture did not just disappear, it’s not that long ago. And Hebrew tribes in West or South AFrica, were accepted by the Ashkenazi Jews as Israelites. Which means nothing of course, but those AShkenazi jews are the ones that determine who is and who isn’t. And they are looking at DNA tests, just like you. Have you completely ignored the fact that E1b1b is mostly in Eastern AFrica, also in the Bantu tribes, mixed with E1b1a? Central Africa harbours mostly r1b haplogroups, which is the main haplogroup of nordic people. E1b1a mostly in West Africa and by descendants of “slaves”, in the western hemisphere. Do you not see the patterns?
Israelites never just stayed in one place, and they also intermixed, which is mentioned numerous times in the bible, sorry for not quoting, but you do know it yourself. And also the females, not only the men. Again all haplogroups come from Africa, it’s just common sense.
If you’re so keen on maps, I can show you maps and research that “prove” that paternal haplogroups are climate related.
“Even though the haplogroups in Africa are the simplest they are also the most active. They have the most mutations.
Differences within the same haplogroup between one African village and its neighbor have been described as typically greater than those found in the whole of Europe. Mutations nearly always result in loss of information. In Africa more mutations occur. That is why the African haplogroups are less complex than those in Europe. There is a direct correlation between complexity of YDNA and average temperature.”
Thanks for your response.
Again, I will refer you to the article on origin of races. It explains skin color.
Skin color is not directly dependent on the Y-DNA haplogroup. The neanderthal gene clusters around certain regions of the genome that affects melanocytes hence melanin production. This is documented already. It is for this reason that numerous Y-DNA haplogroups are found in both dark and light skinned people. It is why this gene is absent in the negro regardless of his haplogroup. It explains why there are light skinned E1b1b individuals as well as dark skinned ones. If you don’t understand this, then the Y-DNA haplogroups will be confusing.
Yes, there is mixing even among Israelites, that is why there are other haplogroups in many of the tribes including in Cameroon and African Americans. And maternal haplogroups highlight this further.
Yes, there are mutations in haplogroups, that is why they are referred to as groups and not discrete genetic markers.
Eldad Ha-Dani made claims that have not been validated by other historians, so I would be cautious about holding fast to them. That of course doesn’t mean his claims are false. I however do not base my articles on one source but a combination of Scripture, known history and science.
Your argument about genetics runs contrary to the essence of the field. If genetics doesn’t indicate genealogy but climate, then the entire science is bogus. But then, a lot of people still believe that people are pale just because of an ice age even though there are living witnesses to blanqueamiento. If Y-DNA haplogroup doesn’t identify paternal lineages, then, that defeats the definition of Y-DNA haplogroups. It is the whitening of populations that create multiple races with same Y-DNA haplogroup (not the climate).
Regarding, the Ashkenazi, J1 or J2, both are subclades in the J haplogroup.Subclades are generally determined by the terminal SNP in the phylogenetic tree.
Part of the genetic diversity in Africa also comes from resettled slaves in the region. These slaves were already mixed in Europe and the Americas.
You disparage ‘caucasian’ education, but the concept of haplogroups coming from Africa was a ‘caucasian’ concept. When people really don’t have data, they bring up the common sense argument.
I’m still uncertain what you are upset about, the field of genetics, or just my E1b1b conclusion.
Finally, you sent me a britam link at the end of your comment. You should research britam first, because I’m almost certain they don’t believe what you do.
Also just to add: I hope you do know that the Carthagians, Phoenicians, and also the Romans at a time were all people of colour. Same goes for the Byzantine Empire. These were not Caucasoid at that time at all. This can be easily researched by the way. But again, just believe the Caucasian when they’re saying they were running everything. They didn’t even run Europe before the 16th,17th century. But you belive them when they say they’re the baddest and that they were all these empires.
Thanks for your comment. Yes I am aware that most people on earth were all people of color at one time, even the National geographic society now understands that.
I did discuss the topic a bit more in my article:
I will refer you to it for more info.
All the best,
And recent DNA analysis of Ashkenzi Jews revealed that their DNA only has 3% ancient ancestry linked to Eastern Mediterranean. Their DNA can be traced to “Ancient Ashkenaz”, an intersection of trade routes in eastern Turkey. The Ashkenazi Jews converted to Judaism when my people have already forcefully been converted to Christians from actually being Jewish.
Also, Jewish/Israelite DNA is not concrete. The presence of a certain haplotype within an individual is not a guarantee that the individual is Jewish or not. So that goes for the Ashkenazi Jews and ALSO for you and others that think they can determine who’s Israelite by taking a DNA test. Really, that’s how you think things actually work?? Nothing you mentioned is therefore empirical data.
3) To say that Eritreans and Ethiopians are hairy….now I really think that you can’t be objective. I take pride in being an objective thinker, and I think I know more of my people than you do. Again, alsmost all other Africans are hairier thand the people in the horn. I look at my entire family. Again my father and my grandfathers do not have any chest hair, hair on legs or arms, and never in their life could grow a complete full beard. Even I can’t grow a full beard. Our women never heard of shaving. Again don’t come with these maps please. Showing me a map, made by who, how many samples…everyone knows these maps are mere assumptions, and not sure that the map you showed indicates the hairyness of people, check again. I can tell you having grown up with people from all over Africa, and I’m being completely honest. All other Africans, apart from South East African were hairier. None of my sisters or female cousins, have any visible hair on their arms, I know thousands of Eri/Ethiopians. Are there exceptions? Of course, but that’s anywhere.
Or here a Beja man
We have an arabic Tribe in Eritrea, and they do look differently and are relatively hairy, but they came 150 years ago, so are completely separate people. But the Ge’ez speakers no way, extremly hairless. Much more hairless than West Africans, I just know way too many from both sides, for you to tell me differently.
4) Not sure how things don’t correlate with the scriptures, because first of all, I hope you have an authentic bible, or do you believe the king James version is really accurate? I don’t understand how a version that has been clearly tampered with from the 16th century is more accurate than one that never had been touched and goes back to 300 a.d. But ok, let’s go with your version. When I say they havent been invaded more than 50 years, I’m talking about when the Jews were already in Abyssinia.You mentionded the Romans and Greeks, and mostly Italian when they never dwelled longer than 50 years. ROmans were never there, the Greeks only at the coastal area for trading, Ottoman empire for 3 yeras at the port, and the Italians came yesterday, so if you can go back more than 2 generations you know if you have Italian blood. Those were the one you mentioned, saying we have Italian in us. Also why do you ignore any history from that time, that had no reason to be biased? Some Jews left even before Exodus, 500 B.C. None of the things are mentioned is Caucasian history, it is also our own history that was told from generation to generation. And how can you ignore history form people that weren’t even Caucasians during those times!? The information comes from the Persian empire, from black Greeks etc. And it actually makes sense, that’s the main point. It has to logically make sense, you cannot just ignore things that actually make sense and deny them because of the source. And this is not information you can easily find, or has actually been approved by Caucasians. The contrary is the case, the information has been collected by people of colour. DNA companies can much easier manipulate, than historical, linguistic facts. And also, the Ashkenazi Jews real language is Yiddish, you’re right. And yes there are Torahs that were written in ancient Hebrew and they still exist today. And can the Ashkenazi Jews read it? NOPE, they can’t. They always get Ethiopians who can read ancient Ge’ez to do the job. So Ashkenazi don’t even know the language, and didn’t even write in Hebrew too long ago. You don’t get the Gaza part, again if you’re ignoring the meaning of words, and the fact that you also had Jews in Egypt. This the point, when you have places called like that, it means there were Jewish settlers, and they named the cities that way due to not being from there, and only being emigrants. Why would someone call it that way if this is his home?
Also, the whole point of taking over people is to destroy their history, without the men, your history is deleted, gone forever. That was never the case with us, we go way back. We would have a European culture instead. And our culture is the richest in Africa, probably the world, and I say that completely objectively. It could have not survived, it’s impossible. Or we would have adapted the kushitc culture that pre-existed in the horn, but could never have remained shemitic. You either take the culture of the occupant or take over the culture in the new place where you left to. Neither of it is the case. Our men have never been wiped out, and there is no proof whatsoever that Caucasians ran into Africa and developed a shemitc culture and intermixed with Kushites.
6) It’s not about European approach, it’s about logic here, ok. To pretend there is no correlation, is to say that German and English or Spanish and Portugese have no correlation whatsoever. Again, it is not too long ago when everything went down.It sounds like this was millions of years ago, when in reality it was centuries. So it’s easy to do draw comparisons in language, pronounciations without having to have the Caucasians approach.
7) Well, that’s another lie. Other Christians are putting more emphasis on the New testament, they are eating pork, they don’t believe in circumsion and much more. Also, the Edomites rejected TMH, they are not trying to copy the Israelites from the beginning of their existence. What they do is, to pretend to be something they’re not, and actually promote Luciferianism. Like the catholic church. They pretend to worship God and his son, when in reality it’s all about Tamuz, Heru whatever you want to call him/them. And they are not practicing the old testament at all. Culture is the main indice for someone’s heritage, that’s what described in the bible also. Not any DNA tests run by Jews. Also if the Ethiopians are also Edomites, they are the Ashkenzi Jews brothers correct? So how come they are being oppressed in Israel, how come for the last 8 years, Ashkenzi doctors in Israel are vaccinating Ethiopian women with a substance that wouldn’t let them have any children anymore.
What are they afraid of? If they are indeed brothers?
8)And now let’s look what the bible says about the Edomites and their traits:
-They will dwell in caves
-Red people and hairy (why do you think you call them Rednecks or Peckerwoods??) not ruddy meaning brown, nope incorrect.
-Their symbol is the eagle ( look at your flag and other Edomite empires from the past)
-They will steal other people’s land(goes without sayin, just like Italains stole our land and were lynching us)
-There will be an eternal struggle between Jacob and Esau, they will never get along ( hmm, so you guys are actually beefing with the people of the horn or is it the Caucasian. I never knew. Btw, we actually gave West Africans/ Jamaicans assylum in our land, and they have their own land and live in peace)
– 2 manner of people, meaning looks and behaviour are completely different
-Esau’s blessing: retain the fatness of the world, you’re going to be a war monger (who fits this description??)
-Esau’s nation is going to be despised by many nations(hmm…couldn’t be any clearer)
– set your nest in the stars (space stations, who owns them again??)
-Arabs are the Ishamelites not Esau, couldn’t been any clearer
So I stop here, I spent way too much time. I can only hope it wasn’t wasted, cause I could have made some money instead of writing this much. So, that is really my last effort to come up with facts, historical, cultural evidence, showing that haplogroups are irrelevant in determining who is Israelite and that all haplogroups originate from Africa. If you want to stick to your opinion, that’s your right. I’m an objective person, that stated facts and logical conclusions that are NOT based on the Caucasian teaching, that you don’t even understand or can perform. Last time I checked, none of this technology had been approved by people of colour or even run by any, it has not even been proven to be correct, there are so so many holes. Not knowing how far it reaches back etc. And the scripture part in the end, where I could listed 100 other passages who shows who Esau’s descendants are.
Yes I am aware of those genetic studies.
With the hair issue, assuming I never knew an Eritrean or Ethiopian, there are pictures of Haile Selassie online and he isn’t as hairless as you imply. Besides, Scripture is full of passages talking about beards among Israelites. So if your people find it impossible to grow any, shouldn’t you rethink your identity?
For the records, i don’t think growing a beard is conclusive of identity.
You ask me not to show you maps. If you can’t accept data because it doesn’t suit your narrative or wasn’t drawn by your people, then there is a problem. There is no world distribution map of any sort that sampled the entire world population. It is logistically impossible to do. That is what the sampling statistical tool was designed for. And no, they are not assumptions, people actually do some research and don’t just sit in their basements to draw maps. This map in particular was taken from a peer reviewed journal.
You said in your previous comments that there was no foreign genetic influence in the horn of Africa. But bow you say there is an Arabic tribe thus validating my previous comment about Arab and Italian influence.
You claim the Ethiopian Bible is authentic and the others are not. How do you know that? Every Bible written has Greco-Roman influence especially since it was written after the third century AD at which time Roman Catholicsm began. Even the older septuagint has some issues.
As I mentioned before, I can’t dispute your history, you should know better. However, this article was written using documented data. I cannot study your oral traditions if they are not written for us to read. Neither am I ignoring your history and traditions any more than I can ignore documented data.
Regarding Gaza, the Philistines were also immigrants who came from caphtor (Amos 9:7), so the naming issue could apply to them also.
regarding Christianity and the catholic church, I see your point as well as dating problems with Anthropology. Christianity used to believe the whole Bible (including the Law) before this present generation of ‘New testamenters’ arose. Regarding oppression of Ethiopians by Jews, it is sad and unfortunate, but that shouldn’t surprise you. Even Africans oppress one another despite being ‘brothers’. But I also know from scriptures that the Israelites will be afflicted on a land not their own.
On prophecies about Edom,you are correct. But the Romans according to the book of Jasher and few other scriptures (in the article) were Edom. Their symbol was also the eagle. Their genetic footprint directly correlates with E1b1b Y-DNA haplogroup. That’s what the article was about.
There is no beef with the people at the horn of Africa. However, I cannot ignore academic data because it wasn’t given a colored people’s stamp of approval. And yes, I do have a decent understanding of genetics.
I appreciate your openness and comment. Let me reassure you, you are not my enemy. Regardless of our DNA type, our goal is to honor our Creator, obey His Laws and have faith in HamaShiac. May His hand rest on us and His power overshadow us forever.
Okay, you website wouldn’t let me post, but only so many words. So on the one hand you’re saying that Edomites are hairy and so are Ethiopians, Erireans, I tell you that on my side they couldn’t grow full beards, but there obviously plenty that can. ALso have you not read the description of the Messiah, he couldn’t even grow a full beard, he had a patchy one. So which one is it, now? You’re contradicting yourself.
You cannot determine any biblical people via some dna tests, that is just plain stupid to believe.
Two Scriptural passages answer your questions.
1. Edom is Hairy – Genesis 25:25
2. Israelites can grow full beards – Psalms 133:2
They are scripture, I didn’t write them.
I will not reciprocate with the name calling, I was raised to be better than that.
Have a good day.
Well it’s not about having beef, it is the fact that you’re stating that the people with E1b1b are the Edomites. And that is completely wrong, and yes DNA companies are not trustworthy at all, and neither are the people that come up with these so called “facts”. The difference really here is as I said, there has never been a Caucasian haplogroup, there just hasn’t. So the fact that you’re saying that E1b1b is not African, is incorrect! How can you refute that, please? Therefore Edom cannot be found via some genetic test, neither can be Israelites.
Also, I’m questioning data, which you clearly don’t do, typical sheep mentality, accept everything the Caucasian presents you are facts, and don’t question their motives or even their accuracy. You’ll find plenty of statements that these findings are not any kind of guarantee of who has common patrineal lineages and not. Because they steadily change them, and “update” your results.
You did not reply to the fact that the Dinka and Massai are also only, mainly E1b1b. If we know they are descendants of Ham. You have to understand when I mention anything about genealogy, I’m just using your own arguments against you, but I don’t believe in it myself, but even on that basis your thesis makes no sense. Are you telling me that the descendants of Ham, the progenitor of the African, is not indigenous to Africa and is Esau? Does that make actually sense to you?
Also there you go, first you said you know Eritreans/ethiopians that are hairy, now you’re talking about Haile Selassie, who is 1 person and also how do you know he is hairy? Have you seen his body, or is having a full beard a sign of being an Edomite? You do know that almost all Hebrews have full beards in any ancinet paintings etc. And if he was Edom, why would he give Jamaicans land in Ethiopia to live? You do know also that you’re completely ignoring everything it says in the scriptures. But I’ll get to that later. So you saying that E1b1b isn’t indigenous to Africa is false, all haplogroups are indigenous to Africa, I just made my point mentioning that r1b is the MAIN, not just any, but the MAIN haplogroup in Cameroon, which is otherwise only found in Arabs, Europeans, Indoeuropeans. So which group does r1b represent, which biblical character do you wish to pick? It is also a lie that E1b1b is the main haplogroup in white people, besides in the Balkan. You cannot determine any biblical people via some dna tests, that is just plain stupid to believe. It is all contradictive. So to you, TMH has actually chose Well it’s not about having beef, it is the fact that you’re stating that the people with E1b1b are the Edomites. And that is completely wrong, and yes DNA companies are not trustworthy at all, and neither are the people that come up with these so called “facts”. The difference really here is as I said, there has never been a Caucasian haplogroup, there just hasn’t. So the fact that you’re saying that E1b1b is not AFrican, is incorrect! How can you refute that, please? Therefore Edom cannot be found via some genetic test, neither can be Israelites.
You did not reply to the fact that the Dinka and Massai are also only, mainly E1b1b. And we know they are descendants of Ham. You have to understand when I mention anything about genealogy, I’m just using your own arguments against you, but I don’t believe in it myself, but even on that basis your hypothesis makes no sense. Are you telling me that the descendants of Ham, the progenitor of the African, are not indigenous to Africa and are actually Edomites? Does that make actually sense to you? How do Dinka or Masai people have ,what you call the “Roman” genetic footprint and the people in the horn also? Neither of their men had been wiped out by them and replaced them. You keep saying, this article says, or that, how about you think instead of letting others do it for you. Again, they can’t even have a genetic imprint that could be found via haplogroups, because they do NOT HAVE ANY OF THEIR OWN. Also, on your map the Roman empire does NOT cover all E1b1b regions, it covers only Europe and North Africa, we all knew that. But I don’t see their empire in South Eastern Bantu areas, like Tanzania or Kenya, or horn of Africa or South Sudan, so what are you talking about?
The description of the Edomites fits the Caucasians, especially those involved in Colonialism and Slave trade. But none of those have E1b1b?! You’re completely dismissing everything it says in the scriptures. Your argument doesn’t add up at all, again the Roman empire did not invade the masai or Dinka people, who are E1b1b and are descendants of Ham we know it.
Edom was in Afra (Africa) long before the Romans emerged as an empire. Read the book of Jasher.
We know the descendants of Ham primarily because that is what the European missionaries taught us. Race is more than skin color, otherwise, the Japanese and Arabs also would be called Caucasians.
Not ignoring the bible, what does it say here:
“So he started out, and on his way he met an Ethiopian eunuch, an important official in charge of all the treasury of the Kandake (which means “queen of the Ethiopians”). This man had gone to Jerusalem to worship “
So you have an Ethiopian Jew coming to Jerusalem to worship. Hmmm.., so you’re saying this was actually an Undercover Edomite? Because we know that by that time until today no Caucasian power came to the horn of Africa and killed off all the men. And we know it wasn’t no Israelite that had intermixed with Edomites on the paternal line, because otherwise they wouldn’t mention it, if he was an Edomite! And they did no come to worship anyway.
Biblical Ethiopia comprised a much larger area than present day Ethiopia. So there is no guarantees that the Eunuch from that Biblical story necessarily came from the land mass known today as Ethiopia. Ask yourself, did you ever here of South Africa or Ghana in Bible days? or didn’t they exist at the time? The answer is simple, they were known by other names then. specifically, they were known as Afra, or Ethiopia at different times. The Romans even called them Egypt at some point too. Early maps indicate that. You need to get both your history and geography in order.
This article on E1b1b references Ethiopia in the modern day land size.
And why on earth would the Messiah send the Apostel Matthew to Ethiopia? To visit the Edomites?? Again, after that time no Caucasian power took over the area. We also know that today, they’re only 2 people really in Ethiopia and Eritrea, there are Shemitic speakers and Kushitic speakers. So one of the two must have been the Ethiopian Jews from that time. And even if you again ignore any real facts, like language and writings, customs,etc. It can only be the Shemitic speaking population. So they can’t be Edomites. The Askenazi jews are NOT native HEBREW speakers, alright. They’re descendants of the Khazars. No need to reply, because you’re not making any sense using Esau’s teaching, all I mentioned are facts. None of what you stated are FACTS.
Again, Biblical Ethiopia comprised the majority of what is called Africa today. If you need facts, here is a copy of old Ethiopia:
Everyone claims what they know is fact, that is why every ‘fact’ must be scrutinized using multiple tools including science. The facts you claim don’t hold on several levels, but of course you are free to believe what you want. You don’t even know the difference in size between Biblical and modern Ethiopia. Neither do you have a grasp of the countless people who have born the name Ethiopian before your time. Yet you claim to be an authority of the people’s history.
We assume the language is Shemitic because you say so, nobody really knows for certain. The presence of books written in a language claiming to be Hebrew means nothing, the Ashkenazis have tons of those already. The Ashkenazis also claim they are Hebrew speakers, your only rationale for saying they are not native speakers is to back your claim of being a native speaker. There is nothing wrong with you seeing yourself and the world as your ancestors have shown you. Just remember, Europeans also see themselves and the world as their ancestors narrated. They even have their white Jesus. Is their history now fact as a result?
The bantus of the South and West-Central Africa also claim their language is the original Biblical language and they do make compelling arguments with their laws and culture too. In fact, maps of ‘old’ Ethiopia overlaps significantly with modern Bantu territories.
You say that I make no sense, there are numerous comments on this article that begs to differ. There are also links to references to the things I’ve said. Everything is documented data, I didn’t make it up.
It is ego that tries to shut someone else down in the course of a discussion. You are free to think and speak as you wish. I also have those rights, however, i just choose to be respectful.
And why on earth would the Messiah send the Apostel Matthew to Ethiopia? To visit the Edomites?? Again, after that time no Caucasian power took over the area. We also know that today, they’re only 2 people really in Ethiopia and Eritrea, there are Shemitic speakers and Kushitic speakers. So one of the two must have been the Ethiopian Jews from that time. And even if you again ignore any real facts, like language and writings, customs,etc. It can only be the Shemitic speaking population. So they can’t be Edomites. The Askenazi jews are NOT native HEBREW speakers, alright. They’re descendants of the Khazars.
The Ashkenazis also have a language, writing and custom which the claim to be ‘Jewish’. How is yours right, and theirs wrong? Also,remember that modern Ethiopians are the only black people that Ashkenazis accept as being ‘Jews’ with them. If all Ashkenazi Jewish culture, language and customs are fake, then, accepting your ‘Jewishness’ is the only truth they have ever uttered.
No need to reply, because you’re not making any sense using Esau’s teaching, all I mentioned are facts. None of what you stated are FACTS.
Just for those that believe this:
The descendants of HAM, the progenitor of the Afrians are mostly E1b1b. Dinka(darkest race) and the Masai. So how can they be the Edomites? No intermixing. According to you, the English, German,French who keep you in captivity are not E1b1b, so therefore not Edomites. In the bible it states that there were plenty of ISraelites, and there were no foreign invasions afterwards.Any man with some sense, can see through this laughable theory.
E1b1b in Africa is primarily in North and horn of Africa. Most of sub-saharan Africa is not, so it is not the progenitor of Africans as you claim.
Yes, Germans, English and French are not E1b1b because they are not Edomites.
You know all this debate about genetic mixing in Ethiopia can be solved if you just do a simple google search of “what nationality is Ethiopian” and see the first thing that pops up. You know what, i’ll help you, this is the first paragraph:
“A study of Ethiopians belonging to Semitic and Cushitic ethnic groups mostly from the north of the country (the Oromo, Amhara, Tigrinya, and Gurage) estimated approximately 40% of their autosomal ancestry to be of Eurasian (“Caucasian”) origin, with about 60% being of native Sub-Saharan African origin.”
40% of your gene pool of your Semitic and cushitic population comes from the caucasians whom you detest so much. But you are not mixed right? You still think it’s a laughable theory?
I rest my case.
Also I implore anyone curious about our history to read the memoir by Olaudah Equiano, he was Igbo and without knowing scripture, his people were keeping the Torah laws/customs of our ancestors, though they believed that God resided in the sun. This was due to the continual falling away from YHWH and into pagan worship just as in the days of the book of judges.
Well lets look at the “Natufian” these are bones beleived to be ancient Israel, now lets check out their DNA:
According to ancient DNA analyses conducted by Lazaridis et al. (2016) on Natufian skeletal remains from present-day northern Israel, the Natufians carried the Y-DNA (paternal) haplogroups E1b1b1b2(xE1b1b1b2a,E1b1b1b2b) (2/5; 40%), CT (2/5; 40%), and E1b1(xE1b1a1,E1b1b1b1) (1/5; 20%).
Interesting right? SO if this is true then that means Israel was a mixed group of people.
This is the thing with DNA people can document it, and form a thesis about it based on whatever narrative they feel will be best suited for their own gain.
We need to look no further than scriptures to figure out who at LEAST fit the curses of Deut. 28…
Iron yokes on necks
Kids stripped away
Sold as slaves
Carried away on boats to a far away nation whose language you dont understand
These curses fit only one group of people… Yup, you got it! The sons and daughters of Israel that were taken to the americas….
YHWH even states in scriptue that these curses will be a sign on his people forever:
“and they shalbe vpon the as miracles and wonders & vpon thy seed for euer.” (MtwB 1537)
“And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.” (KJV)
Now if we agree with Hebrews 2 Negroes Doc, then even some ehtiopians have the same genetic code as us, which would make them israel, as are the native americans/aztecs and others.
All that said, being of Israel doesnt gain us anything over any men today, in fact we are going to be in bondage until the Lord returns for us… one could say that the gentile nations have it better as even THEY will have a chance to enter into the Kingdom!
You are correct, Y DNA E1b1a and Y DNA E1b1b are both Hebrew. Y DNA J is not Japheth tho, J2 is Canaanite and J1c is Nubian. Japhethic Gomer is R1b and Magog is R1a. I can show you sources and would like to link with you on this stuff, exchange contact info or something.
E-P2, also known as E1b1, is a human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. This paternal clade had an ancient presence in the Middle East, and is now primarily distributed in Africa, with lower frequencies in the Middle East and Europe.
“Y-chromosome E haplogroups: their distribution and implication to the origin of Afro-Asiatic languages and pastoralism”
> I am not aware of historical records of Europeans shipping their women to North Africa for the purpose of breeding
Lots of children were raided from southern and eastern europe to north africa since the middle ages until 1700’s.